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Council Meeting Minutes
March 9, 2015
1. Roll Call
Mayor Roe called
the meeting to order at approximately 6:00 p.m. Voting and Seating Order: Laliberte,
McGehee, Willmus, Etten, and Roe. City Manager Patrick Trudgeon and City Attorney
Mark Gaughan were also present.
advised that, due to scheduling conflicts, Councilmember Willmus would be
arriving late and leaving early from tonight?s meeting.
2. Pledge of
3. Approve Agenda
requested removal of Item 8.f from the Consent Agenda for separate
McGehee moved, Etten
seconded approval of the agenda as amended.
McGehee, Etten, and Roe.
4. Public Comment
Mayor Roe called
for public comment by members of the audience on any non-agenda items. No one
appeared to speak.
Communications, Reports, and Announcements
Mayor Roe clarified
that tonight?s joint meeting of the City Council and Parks & Recreation
Commission would include the Commission's presentation of preliminary information
to the City Council on their study of the deer population in and around Roseville.
However, Mayor Roe noted that there would be no action taken tonight, with the
Council only receiving the information for their further review with a more
in-depth discussion scheduled for the April 13, 2015 regular City Council
meeting, at which time an opportunity for public comment will also be
At the request
of Councilmember McGehee, Mayor Roe confirmed that brief public comments would
be received tonight if anyone in the audience was present for that purpose, but
reiterated that presentation by the Commission was simply to present their recommendations.
Mayor Roe further clarified that public comment tonight would not preclude
public testimony heard on April 13, 2015.
Mayor Roe noted
a number of quilts currently on display at City Hall, an annual display by the
Minnesota Contemporary Quilters Group, including a number of Roseville residents,
and on display through mid-April, with this year?s theme around "cycles." Additional
information is available at www.mn.contemporaryquilters.net.
Mayor Roe announced an upcoming free community conversation scheduled at 6:30
p.m. on March 16, 2016 at the Roseville Skating Center, sponsored in part by
the Human Rights Commission, and addressing mental health illness issues in
general and associated stigmas.
provided a brief update as the City's representative on the North Suburban
Cable Commission Board of Directors, and their recent solicitation of cable
franchise proposals, with one application received from Century Link to provide
video and cable services. Mayor Roe advised that the Commission first reviewed
the application at their meeting last week, and it would be further considered
at the May 2015 meeting, and once the application is formally accepted, a
formal negotiation period wouldcommence, which would subsequently be brought to
each of the nine member cities for their approval later this year.
Laliberte advised that through some of her other volunteer work, she had
recently met with several veterans groups and leaders of Disabled American
Veterans and the V.F.W. At this point, Councilmember Laliberte reported that
it appears Legacy Funds and other financial resources may be available to
cities wishing to work with veterans. While no confirmed information is yet
available, Councilmember Laliberte noted that some funds may be available for
parks and/or volunteer programs, which was duly noted by staff for further
Donations and Communications
7. Approve Minutes
and corrections to draft minutes had been submitted by the City Council prior
to tonight's meeting and those revisions were incorporated into the draft
presented in the Council packet.
Approve Minutes of March 2, 2015 Meeting
noted a bench handout from Councilmember McGehee at the March 2
meeting, and after review, he recommended that it be formally attached to these
minutes as part of the record, which was approved by consensus of the body.
McGehee moved, Etten
seconded, approval of Meeting Minutes of March 2, 2015 as amended.
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adjournment at approximately 10:04 p.m.
8. Approve Consent Agenda
There were no additional
changes to the Consent Agenda than those previously noted. At the request of Mayor
Roe, City Manager Patrick Trudgeon briefly reviewed those items being
considered under the Consent Agenda; and as detailed in specific Requests for
Council Action (RCA) and related attachments, dated March 9, 2015.
Etten seconded, approval of the following claims and payments as presented and
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Laliberte, McGehee, Etten, and Roe..
Approve Business and Other Licenses and Permits
moved, Etten seconded, approval/renewal of business and other licenses and
permits for terms as noted.
Laliberte, McGehee, Etten, and Roe.
Approve General Purchases and Sale of Surplus Items in Excess of $5,000
Mayor Roe noted
the siren replacement was listed as a budget item, and from his understanding
it should have been programmed into the CIP, seeking clarification by staff.
Trudgeon advised that he would verify with staff if it was an emergency
management budgeted item or a replacement funded through the CIP, and report
back to the City Council.
moved, Etten seconded, approval of general purchases and contracts for services,
and where applicable, trade-in/sale of surplus equipment as noted in the RCA
and Attachment A entitled, ?2015 Capital Improvement Plan Summary,? updated February
Approve Renewal Ethernet Network Transport Services Agreement
with Roseville Schools
Etten seconded, approval of the renewal of the Ethernet Network Transport
Services Agreement (Attachment A) between the City of Roseville and Roseville
Area School District No. 623.
McGehee, Etten and Roe.
Receive Shared Services Update
Etten seconded, receipt of the updated shared services report (Attachment B).
Approve Construction Agreement with City of Falcon Heights
At the request
of Councilmember McGehee, City Manager Trudgeon advised that he would discuss
pathway maintenance of water and ice with City of Falcon Heights as part of the
joint engineering agreement.
Etten seconded, approval of a Street Improvement Contract (Attachment A)
between the Cities of Roseville and Falcon Heights for the improvement of
Roselawn Avenue from Fairview to Snelling Avenues.
Approve an Agreement between the City of Roseville and Capitol
Region Watershed District for the Upper Villa Stormwater Volume Reduction Project
Laliberte moved, Etten seconded, approval of a Joint Powers
Agreement (Attachment A) between the City of Roseville and Capitol Region
Watershed District for the Upper Villa Stormwater Volume Reduction Project.
Laliberte, McGehee, Etten and Roe.
Approve Purchasing Agent Agreement
Laliberte moved, Etten
seconded, approval of a Purchasing Agent Agreement with McGough Facility
Management allowing purchase of supplies and materials for use at city premises
for the benefit of the City of Roseville not subject to sales and use taxation
as applicable for local government purchase as defined in Minnesota Statute
Chapter 279A.70, subd. 2.
Consider Items Removed from Consent
Receive City Grant Applications Update
At the request
of Mayor Roe, City Manager Patrick Trudgeon briefly reviewed this item as
detailed in the RCA and related attachments, dated March 9, 2015.
Trudgeon noted several formatting and/or confusing areas of the document, and
volunteered to continue refining it for clarity. However, Mr. Trudgeon advised
that those items highlighted in red were additions since the last update.
McGehee questioned several in-kind financial matches required of the City on
Legacy Fund grant applications, which she found to be excessive matches and
questioned whether these funds were additional to what had already been
approved by the City Council.
Trudgeon advised that part of these grant applications were included in the
Park Renewal Program for natural resource improvements. However, Mr. Trudgeon
advised that he would follow-up and report back to the City Council.
Mayor Roe asked
that a cleaned-up copy be presented at the next City Council meeting, with the
request duly noted by City Manager Trudgeon.
General Ordinances for Adoption
Mayor Roe recessed the meeting at
approximately 5:53 p.m., and reconvened at approximately 5:56 p.m.
Joint Meeting with Parks & Recreation Commission
Roe welcomed Park and Recreation Commissions to this quarterly meeting.
Commissioners present included Chair Dave Holt and Members Lee Diedrick, Jerry
Stoner, Terrance Newby, and Randall Doneen.
Holt advised that the Commission had received considerable input and feedback
from the public during its study, as charged by the City Council, and research
of the deer population and related issues in this area. Chair Holt advised
that Commissioners Newby and Stoner would lead a summary of their findings and
the broad recommendations of the Commission based on their information and
Newby noted that this subject had a lot of public impact and was a
passionate topic. As part of the Commission?s recommendation, included in tonight's
meeting packet, dated March 9, 2015, Commissioner Newby noted that a theme
seemed to be centered around neighbors feeding deer, which created a lot of
problems in deer congregating.
Newby summarized the Commission?s recommendations as it inventoried and
monitored the deer population and things for the City Council to consider if
and when it authorized creation of an ordinance. Commissioner Newby advised
that the recommendation of the Commission was for a comprehensive wildlife
ordinance that included a feeding prohibition along with other issues that
could be enforceable by the City, with penalties for violations and options for
as-needed control mechanisms as defined by criteria established by Ramsey
County and the Department of Natural Resources. Commissioner Newby advised
that the Commission recommended an immediate restriction on feeding, and enactment
of an ordinance that would provide an enforcement method and penalties in order
to deter individuals from feeding wildlife. Only if necessary, Commissioner
Newby clarified, was one potion provided for a controlled hunt if after two
years of enforcing a feeding ban and subsequent survey, it was determined that
there was still a significant problem.
McGehee noted that the Commission had been tasked to address the deer
population, however, they had returned with a recommendation addressing
wildlife in general. As an example, Councilmember McGehee stated that she was
not aware of a turkey problem in Roseville, however, they were included as part
of wildlife management, and questioned why they were included if no problem and
apparently no one was actively feeding them.
Newby responded that, while deer seemed to be driving the problem, it had
become apparent during the Commission?s study to have a feeding ban only for
deer; and based on their research in ordinances from other communities, it
became easy to get around that restriction if limited to deer. Commissioner
Newby noted that some residents attending their discussions had also expressed
concern with turkey, geese and coyotes and other wildlife other than deer.
Stoner concurred, noting that with the exception of one community, they
qualified their ordinance as a wildlife management program to address feeding
in general and avoid potential enforcement issues if a violator stated their
intent was to feed something other than deer, and deer inadvertently ate the
Holt advised that the Commission?s recommendation was for a comprehensive
wildlife plan, not just the feeding ordinance portion. Chair Holt noted that
during the Commission?s research and through considerable public engagement,
they heard numerous comments from residents on other wildlife issues, even though
deer was the focus. Therefore, Chair Holt advised that recommending a
comprehensive wildlife plan made sense as part of the City?s regulations.
she may agree in principle, Councilmember McGehee referenced the number of
e-mails received to-date, some of which were included in tonight?s materials
while others were received by her directly. Councilmember McGehee stated that
she knew for a fact that natural habitat area creation and/or preservation were
high on the interest list of residents when the Commission had done their
resident survey. However, Councilmember McGehee noted that the City had
actually reduced natural areas, part of which could be removal of invasive
plant species which was a good thing; however, it impacted areas of natural habitat,
which may have also created some of the wildlife crowding issues being
experienced. While it's fine to discuss ways to alleviate the community's
problematic deer population, Councilmember McGehee opined that a large segment
of the community's residents valued wildlife and natural habitat and that it
was important to keep that in mind.
for the deer herd, Councilmember McGehee noted that not all of the wildlife was
specific to Roseville but migrated from and throughout other suburbs as well.
Therefore, Councilmember McGehee opined that the surveys in Roseville may not
actually be accurate on any given day, or define where the herd was actually
living. In her review of the map provided in the packet, Councilmember McGehee
noted the deer populations were occurring predominantly in Ramsey County
natural areas and open space, as determined with fly-over surveys.
Holt concurred, adding another population near Lake Owasso.
McGehee acknowledged that this was also another natural area.
Holt recommended that the intent of the comprehensive wildlife plan should
certainly not be misconstrued to get rid of wildlife, but to attempt properly
managing or limiting their numbers depending on periodic counts. Chair Holt
noted that a feeding ban is only one option to disperse deer in a manner that
they were not congregating and becoming a public nuisance and/or safety hazard
for vehicles. Chair Holt reiterated Commissioner Newby?s summary in that the
overall plan incorporated many different things beyond a ban.
Roe reiterated his announcement regarding this not constituting a complete
discussion tonight, and opportunities for further discussion and public input
at a later date.
Etten thanked Commissioners for putting together a thorough and complete
analysis, including detailed information from other communities and a
recommendation for moving forward. Commissioner Etten expressed his appreciation
for their background work allowing further community discussions in the near
viewing Commission meetings from home, Councilmember Laliberte noted one thing
that had been gnawing at her was finding out what other communities around
Roseville were doing, since wildlife didn?t observe borders. Therefore, Councilmember
Laliberte thanked the Commission for providing that information, which she
found very helpful. Regarding the Commission?s recommendation #5 (page 5 of
the RCA), Councilmember Laliberte asked for clarification that they were not
proscribing a particular avenue for a hunt, just that it could be discussed
further if deemed necessary.
Newby concurred, and responded that the recommendation was that, if after the
initial two-year period, if there were still a significant number of citizen complaints,
the option for a hunt could be an option at which time the issue could be
revisited and opportunity for assessment of the problem. Commissioner Newby
noted that the assessment may indicate there is nothing warranted or any
further action necessary.
Holt advised that this was part of the rationale in the Commission's recommendation
for creation of an ordinance that would allow for a hunt if warranted, since at
this time the City had nothing in place to allow a hunt as an option. Without such
a mechanism readily in place, Chair Holt noted the delay in the process and
need to continually go over things again before able to take appropriate
Roe noted that this would provide a form of preauthorization and option to hold
a public hearing prior to any hunt.
Stoner responded that, for those wanting a hunt immediately, the process would
move more quickly than having to compile information again and by the time the
process was completed, the cycle could be no longer a valid issue without an
ordinance in place to address any potential problems within a much shorter time
recognizing that the Commission's recommendations were broad-based at this
point, Chair Holt asked the City Council to provide their feedback on whether
or not the Commission was meeting their charge. Chair Holt noted that, if so directed,
the Commission could consult with the City Attorney or look into further
Roe advised that further direction would come from the City Council after their
April 13, 2015 discussion.
that this opportunity for public comment was only informal and preliminary
tonight with receipt of the information, Mayor Roe opined the meeting for
public comment at this time.
Callaghan, 3062 Shorewood Lane
Callaghan provided a bench handout and referenced information from the
Minnesota Horticulture Society. Mr. Callaghan expressed his disappointment
that the Parks & Recreation Commission had offered their information as a
comprehensive study, while not contacting or involving the Horticulture
Society, one of the largest local organizations in the area with information on
Callaghan opined that he found a lot of misinformation in the Commission?s
report, and suggested consulting with the Horticulture Society on deer eating
from bird feeders and droppings around them, creating a considerable portion of
the problem in isolated cases.
Willmus arrived at this time, approximately 6:14 p.m.
Callaghan referenced photos provided previously by Mr. Roger Toogood of deer in
his yard eating from his bird feeders; further opining that the problem of
bird feeders needed to be addressed rather than the deer population and inadvertent
feeding of deer due to these activities.
Callaghan questioned the validity of accusations of deer eating rhubarb, since
their leaves are toxic and, as confirmed in his consultation with the Horticultural
Society, knew of no deer doing so, as it would be similar to them eating
Callaghan opined that the City didn?t need another ordinance, and if not wanting
residents to feed deer, they should simply talk to those residents doing so and
ask them to stop. Mr. Callaghan opined that deer should not be fed other than
from what they found in the environment unless there were extraordinary circumstances.
Callaghan opined that another ordinance would be useless since the City Manager
was terrible about enforcing existing ordinances based on his personal
experience with him.
Callaghan asked that the City think carefully about these regulations as currently
proposed by the Commission, as they didn't define wild versus tame animals, and
suggested the need for specific rules for specific animals. Mr. Callaghan
noted that it appeared that only residents on two roads made up for more than
half of the complaints about deer.
approximately 6:18 and with no one else coming forward, Mayor Roe closed public
comment and reiterated that this item would appear again on the April 13, 2015
Mayor Roe recessed the meeting at
approximately 6:18 p.m., and reconvened at approximately 6:25 p.m.
Business Items (Action Items)
left at approximately 8:40 P.M.
Business Items - Presentations/Discussions
City Manager Future Agenda Review
Councilmember-Initiated Items for Future Meetings
Etten seconded, adjournment of the meeting at approximately 9:22 p.m.
McGehee, Willmus, Etten and Roe.