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Council Meeting Minutes
October 10, 2016
1. Roll Call
Mayor Roe called
the meeting to order at approximately 6:00 p.m. Voting and Seating Order:
Willmus, Etten, McGehee, Laliberte and Roe. City Manager Patrick Trudgeon and
City Attorney Mark Gaughan were also present.
2. Pledge of
3. Approve Agenda
McGehee seconded, approval of the agenda as presented.
Etten, McGehee, Laliberte and Roe.
4. Public Comment
Mayor Roe called
for public comment by members of the audience on any non-agenda items. No one
appeared to speak.
and City Manager Communications, Reports, and Announcements
Etten announced Fire Prevention week activities during this week and this
year's theme: "Don't Wait, Check the Date."
Laliberte announced the next Community Health Awareness Team (CHAT) workshop
topic on advanced care planning and health care documentation.
Trudgeon thanked Finance Director Chris Miller for filling in for him at last
week's City Council meeting while he attended the annual International City
Manager's Association (ICMA) conference in Kansas City, MO. Mr. Trudgeon
provided a brief summary of the professional workshops he attended; highlighted
several keynote speakers focusing on race, class and religion; and networking
opportunities with colleagues to learn best practices nationwide. Mr. Trudgeon
thanked the City Council for allowing him to attend the conference.
Trudgeon announced that the City of Roseville had been nominated for several
2016 Leader in Local Government awards from the St. Paul Chamber of Commerce;
one for planning and land zoning for the Twin Lakes redevelopment area, and
another for its regional communications efforts. Mr. Trudgeon provided
information on date and location of the awards ceremony.
Trudgeon read a letter from St. Michael's Lutheran Church addressed to the City
Council as part of the ELCA's Community Outreach Day, with young people
encouraged to send letters to groups they felt were making the world better.
Mr. Trudgeon proudly noted that they had chosen Roseville as one of those
groups; and distributed personal thank you notes to the City from those young
thanked the young people for this honor.
Donations and Communications
corrections to draft minutes had been submitted by the City Council prior to
tonight's meeting and those revisions were incorporated into the draft
presented in the Council packet.
Approve September 26, 2016 City Council Meeting Minutes
Etten seconded, approval of the September 26, 2016 City Council meeting minutes
Page 16, Line 27 (McGehee)
Typographical Correction: Delete "art" before "high schools."
Ayes: Etten, McGehee,
Laliberte and Roe.
Approve Consent Agenda
At the request
of Mayor Roe, City Manager Trudgeon briefly reviewed those items being
considered under the Consent Agenda; and as detailed in specific Requests for
Council Action (RCA) dated October 10, 2016 and related attachments.
Etten seconded, approval of the following claims and payments as presented and
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Willmus, Etten, McGehee, Laliberte and Roe.
Approve Business Licenses
Etten seconded, approval of new 2016-2017 Massage Therapist and Massage Therapy
Establishment Licenses as detailed, dependent on completion of successful
Approve General Purchases in Excess of $5,000 and Sale of Surplus
moved, Etten seconded, approval of general purchases and contracts for services
as noted, and Attachment A entitled, "2016 Capital Improvement Plan Summary,"
updated September 30, 2016.
Authorization of Joint Fuel Purchase for City Fleet
Laliberte referenced 2016 budget and year-to-date actual expenditures for this
annual line item, and asked staff to provide additional information in a more
detailed report of fuel consumption and actual savings to-date in 2016 through
Trudgeon duly noted this request.
Etten seconded, approval of participation in joint purchase of fleet fuel for
2017 as part of the State of Minnesota contract.
Issuance of 1-4 Day Temporary On-Sale Liquor License
Etten seconded, approval of a Temporary Liquor License application as requested
for Bent Brewstillery, located at 1744 Terrace Drive, for an event they will be
hosting on October 27 - 29, 2016, that will entail selling spirits on site.
9. Consider Items
Removed from Consent
General Ordinances for Adoption
recessed the meeting at approximately 6:15 p.m., and reconvened at
Human Rights Commission (HRC) Meeting with the City Council
welcomed HRC Commissioners. Present were Chair Wayne Groff, Molli Slade,
Lauren Peterson, Nicole Dailey and John Eichenlaub; and Youth Commissioner
thanked the City Council for appointing additional commissioners to fill
vacancies and provide the HRC with a full complement of members, noting the
difference it had made in their work load and activities. Chair Groff
presented a brief video prepared by the HRC highlighting some of their
activities in 2016 to-date.
commissioner took the lead in reviewing some of the activities and
accomplishments during the year; and Chair Groff concluded by reviewing
proposed work plan items for the remainder of 2016 and anticipated in 2017.
Chair Groff sought feedback from the City Council on activities,
accomplishments of those items shown on the work plan yet to be addressed.
Discussion included the upcoming
annual essay contest and this year's independent topic involving prejudice,
stereotyping and human interaction; and continued coordination by the HRC with
middle school teachers and leaders, as well as parochial schools, to encourage
involvement of students in the contest.
Etten thanked the HRC for their work, especially their efforts in helping
coordinate the recent Imagine Roseville community dialogue on policing and race
and how Roseville residents could build a stronger community. Councilmember
Etten asked that the HRC keep that effort at the forefront of their activities.
concurred, noting the event provided a cross-section of community, agency and
organization support and involvement.
McGehee also concurred. However, Councilmember McGehee suggested a different
name for the effort rather than "Imagine Roseville" to avoid any confusion with
the Imagine Roseville 2025 effort of a few years ago and its tie to the
comprehensive plan update at that time. Councilmember McGehee opined that this
effort was timely and unique and deserved its own moniker.
meeting space if and when the library is not available for various
HRC-sponsored events, at the request of Councilmember McGehee, City Manager
Trudgeon suggested the City Council Chambers if and when available to
facilitate video and audio needs.
Laliberte thanked the HRC for their ongoing efforts. Specific to this year's
annual essay contest, Councilmember Laliberte asked if the question was part of
the State Human Rights contest or if it was independent for Roseville this year
as it had been last year.
advised that this year's question was Roseville-specific and suggested
continuing the essay contest based on school curricula, noting state level
discussions that may change that organization and its role in the future.
At the request
of Councilmember Laliberte, Chair Groff confirmed the HRC would continue
hosting the naturalization ceremony and human rights awards.
Laliberte asked that the HRC's planning for elder mental health issues partner
with efforts of CHAT and/or the Roseville Alzheimer's and Dementia Community
Action Team (RSVL A/D),
reviewed HRC initiatives related to mental health to-date expanding beyond the
National Alliance for Mental Illness (NAMI) for those partnerships, while
differentiating that separate component for the elderly by diagnosis.
Laliberte noted it was always great to have partners, but asked that the HRC
ensure the efforts of the RSVL A/D and CHAT groups are not duplicated by the
At the request
of Councilmember Laliberte, Chair Groff reported that the proposed cultural
festival is still being discussed at this point, with research scheduled at the
next HRC meeting to seek co-sponsors (e.g. area school districts) and if the
event would be incorporated into Rosefest activities or as a separate event.
As a follow-up
to Councilmember Laliberte's comments on the CHAT program, Councilmember
McGehee noted they spent considerable time on care giving topics that included
elder issues with depression and anxiety, agreed with the need to expand upon
and reach into those other organizations by the HRC, especially given the large
number of caregivers in Roseville.
suggested another partnership for the HRC to consider: Northeast Youth and
Family Services (NYFS) who already promoted the senior chore program and had
existing connections in observing some of those needs firsthand.
agreed with the HRC continuing with their things on their work list going
forward; but asked that they not lose sight of the role of their advisory
commission now that they had a full complement of members again.
thanked the City Council for filling the vacancies on the HRC; and recognized
the new commissioners for their good energy and positive participation.
McGehee suggested a copy of the HRC video be provided to C-TV for occasional
play on the city channel to promote their message.
thanked all commissioners for their ongoing service and willingness to dive
into these issues; and expressed his anticipation as they moved forward.
Mayor Roe recessed the meeting at approximately 6:45 p.m.,
and reconvened at approximately 6:50 p.m.
Public Hearings and Action Consideration
Public Improvement Hearing for Wheeler Street Closure Project
Roe recognized Assistant Public Works Director Jesse Freihammer for a short
presentation on the Wheeler Street closure project background, including its
temporary closure in 2011 as part of the redevelopment and expansion of
Presbyterian Homes-Johanna Shores project, scheduled for completion in the fall
of 2016. Mr. Freihammer noted this was one of two requests brought forward to
the City Council to-date since adoption of the City's Traffic Management
Program (TMP), with detail provided in the RCA dated today's date.
Freihammer reviewed the multi-jurisdictional nature of the project and roadways
in this area as it involved both the Cities of Roseville and Arden Hills, each
with different processes and logistics. Mr. Freihammer noted many closure
costs of Wheeler Street would be borne by Presbyterian Homes as part of their
expansion, creating significant savings to the City of Roseville and residents
along Wheeler Street. One remaining cost would be relocation one driveway, and
Mr. Freihammer reviewed remaining costs, including the driveway location, and
division of those costs between benefiting residents and the city, in
accordance with the city's current Assessment Policy, but significantly
reducing those costs from original estimates, but yet to be determined until
final construction costs are completed with the project itself.
Freihammer reviewed anticipated impacts to the neighborhood; reported on three
traffic studies done in the area to-date; and advised that construction on
County Road D had actually been started today. Mr. Freihammer advised that, if
and when the Roseville City Council makes their decision regarding the project,
that decision would be incorporated into the process. If the decision is to
close Wheeler Street, Mr. Freihammer anticipated approximately two weeks for
signage and other logistics before it could be completed. Due to seasonal
considerations, Mr. Freihammer noted concrete work would be done next spring;
and the final assessment hearing anticipated in October of 2017.
Freihammer reviewed the two actions requested of the City Council tonight; and
advised modified resolutions had been distributed as bench handout and replaced
those included in RCA attachments.
the request of Councilmember McGehee, Mr. Freihammer advised that the current
driveway on Wheeler Street, even though considered substandard, would remain in
use until next spring, but eventually eliminated.
the request of Councilmember Laliberte, Mr. Freihammer advised that "No Outlet"
signage was already in place and would continue to be monitored by city staff.
the request of Councilmember Etten, Mr. Freihammer clarified that rain garden
plantings used as a softening feature would be outside County Road D
reconstruction costs. However, Mr. Freihammer further clarified that the city
would receive stormwater benefits for future total maximum daily loads (TMDL)
on Lake Johanna.
Roe opened the public hearing at approximately 6:57 p.m., advising the purpose,
format and protocol for the hearing. City Manager Trudgeon provided the
project number, a brief description; and confirmed published and mailed notices
in accordance with statutory requirements.
Lacy, Shorewood Drive (Arden Hills)
Lacy thanked the city for allowing an opportunity to speak to this proposed
closure; and advised she would have filed an objection but was unaware until
last week that the decision had already been made, nor was she aware of the
opportunities available to file an objection.
Lacy stated her objection to the closure, along with others in their
neighborhood, especially concerning safety with only a one-way access for their
street in times of emergency or storm, landlocking their neighborhood for
emergency vehicles. Ms. Lacy noted this had already happened in the past with
storms downing trees over the street. Ms. Lacy opined that this closure would
also increase traffic at the 5-way intersection, already dangerous, especially
creating additional struggles with increased traffic north on County Road D
during rush hour. Ms. Lacy stated this not only impacted traffic but school
bus safety. Ms. Lacy reported that it was not unusual to have 15-20 vehicles
daily using their driveways to turn around when realizing Shorewood Drive was
not a thru-street. Also, Ms. Lacy opined that an additional safety issue was
pedestrians having to climb snow banks during the winter months if Wheeler
Street was closed.
Lacy stated this Presbyterian Homes project, and now proposed closure of
Wheeler Street continued to cause distress to their neighborhood; creating a
four-story building in her backyard. Ms. Lacy stated her overall
disappointment came from feeling there was a wall proposed between the Cities
of Roseville and Arden Hills with no concern regarding public safety on the
Arden Hills side from either city. Ms. Lacy advised that she had attended
meetings and phoned the City of Arden Hills several times, since Wheeler
Street's temporary closure in 2011, and was surprised to learn in a September
23, 2016 letter stating the intended permanent closure, and then realizing the
immediate reconstruction start on County Road D without prior notice. Ms. Lacy
opined this didn't include a lot of insight or perspective from those living on
the other side of this blockade, and reiterated her disappointment in the lack
of collaboration for a workable situation by the two cities for those living in
that area beyond Wheeler Street residents.
Wilds, (Arden Hills)
Wilds advised that he lived down the street from Ms. Lacy, and expressed how
grateful he and his neighbors had been that they could also access their
neighborhood through Wheeler Street in the past. Mr. Wilds stated that to have
this closed permanently caused them great concern, and while understanding the
concerns of those residents living on Wheeler Street, he was in agreement with
the comments of Ms. Lacy. Mr. Wilds also emphasized the lack of communication
and concern to any degree for those living on Shorewood Drive and residents of
Presbyterian Homes. Mr. Wilds opined that while that involved hundreds of
people, the vote for closure was only taken from those residents living on
Wheeler Street. Mr. Wilds further opined that if their properties were located
in Roseville, they would have been contacted and asked for their opinions; but
being in Arden Hills had proven a disadvantage with little information shared
during the five-year temporary closure period other than indicting the
temporary closure would be eliminated when the Presbyterian Homes project was
finished. However, now to find that upon that completion, Wheeler Street would
be permanently closed, and then waking up to County Road D being torn up this
morning, Mr. Wilds stated showed a definite lack of concern for those living on
other streets equally affected by this closure, particularly those living in
Seaborg, (Arden Hills)
Seaborg advised that he used to live on Shorewood Drive, and owns a duplex on
Wheeler Street where he used to live. Mr. Seaborg noted his biggest concern
was that Wheeler Street created an easy shortcut to the freeway, and anticipated
it would have been even more enticing once the City of Roseville completes the
extension of Twin Lakes Parkway off Fairview Avenue rather than using County
Road D as their chosen route.
his duplex on the dead-end and having undergone different plans over the last
few years, Mr. Seaborg reported on the logistics of winter plowing, rerouting
his driveway and that of 3100 Wheeler Street with the new roadway, and
relocation of the driveway. Mr. Seaborg questioned the need to change the
driveway location with closure of Wheeler Street, opining it only added expense
to the project and had no effect, including it made it handy for him to get to
his duplex without going the long way around. With the reconstruction of
County Road D addressing traffic on Wheeler Street that never should have been
there, Mr. Wilds opined traffic would be sufficiently addressed without closing
Anderson, 1768 Shorewood Curve
Anderson advised he had been involved with this project since the beginning,
and shared the concerns expressed by the previous two speakers. Mr. Anderson
noted the difficulties experienced in these two neighborhoods during the
expansion of Presbyterian Homes and construction traffic, and understood their
residents weren't consulted relating the Presbyterian Homes project and
relocation of access onto Wheeler Street, Mr. Anderson opined it was important
to point out the rationale for Wheeler Street residents originally submitting
the petition for closure of their road was based on additional construction and
employee traffic, with three employee shifts accessing the site, creating the
impetus of residential involvement. Mr. Anderson reported that residents had
brought their concerns to the Arden Hills City Council but were told it was too
late, recommending residents go to the Roseville City Council seeking blocking
off Wheeler Street. Mr. Anderson noted the two cities shared engineering
services at one point, and opined he was sure attempts must have been made to
coordinate the closure, and allowed there was frustration on both sides.
the end of the day, Mr. Anderson noted residents had followed everything laid
out by the City of Roseville and outlined in the TMP; with the result being 90%
of residents along Wheeler Street were supportive of its closure. Mr. Anderson
thanked the City Council for considering this request.
Callaghan, 3062 Shorewood Lane, Roseville
the conversation seems to be mostly about people using Wheeler Street to cut
through from Fairview Avenue, Mr. Callaghan opined that the most traffic he
observed was not actually those cutting through, but traffic directly related
to Presbyterian Homes, with hundreds of cars and multiple trips daily using the
streets. Mr. Callaghan further opined that even though it was requested that
the driveway for Presbyterian Homes not be on Wheeler Street, residents had
been overruled, and even though it appeared to be against Arden Hills City
Code, residents were told it was their idea. From a safety standpoint, Mr.
Callaghan stated there were many pedestrians and disabled on the street, and
the slower traffic is the better and safer with fewer accidents. Mr. Callaghan
noted his observation that already they have seen fewer vehicles when attempting
to leave their driveway, opining it may have even dropped by a third from
Callaghan stated he found it interesting that the three different traffic
studies had been performed at three different locations, even though there had
been a dramatic drop in traffic from his perspective anyway, and even though
there were different points of view expressed.
Callaghan reminded all that there were still no sidewalks available.
Funnel, 3140 Shorewood Drive (Arden Hills)
Funnel admitted this was a tough decision, and recognized interesting cases had
been made either way. However, Mr. Funnel agreed with Ms. Lacy 100%, opining a
more effective way to reduce traffic would be through restricting traffic with
calming options (e.g. speed bumps) rather than blocking off Wheeler Street.
understanding concerns, Mr. Funnel noted the objective was to get traffic under
control, and suggested that while the simplest thing was a "Road Closed" sign,
it was proving even more disharmonious and suggested a more effective way to
keep the control and alleviate the situation. Mr. Funnel thanked the City
Council for reconsidering this, offering his great respect for each speaker, no
matter their opinion.
Duvere, 3053 Wheeler Street
Duvere stated the temporary closure had left him feeling boxed in and required
rerouting, and opined that the traffic would only further increase with
development of Twin Lakes Parkway. While the citizen petition originally said
it was a temporary closure, but was ending up to be a permanent closure, from
his perspective, Mr. Duvere opined it wasn't an improvement at all, but simply
trapped residents. Mr. Duvere opined that whoever determined who the 42
residents making up the neighborhood consisted of, the closure should have
sought opinions from a broader neighborhood (e.g. Langton Lake, either side of
Lydia, Hamlin and Snelling Avenues). Mr. Duvere noted city closure of a
roadway involved many more than just 42 residents on Wheeler Street, even
though residents on Wheeler would end up paying for the closure.
Duvere stated he would prefer to change the street back to how is was when he
purchased his property in 1997, since his intent wasn't to live on a
cul-de-sac; and asked that Wheeler Street remain open.
Bordhos, 3100 Shorewood Lane (corner lot)
Bordhos expressed appreciation to the City Council for listening to everyone,
including Arden Hills' residents from that immediate neighborhood. With
closure of Wheeler Street, and even with traffic directed onto County Road D,
re-alignment of driveways, and dealing with the 5-way stop, Ms. Bordhos stated
she wouldn't change that closure in a heartbeat. Ms. Bordhos reported traffic
observations before and after the temporary closure of Wheeler Street, and
removal of the pork chop at Presbyterian Homes as requested by the Fire
Department for emergency vehicle access.
the roadway was re-opened, Ms. Bordhos opined children would no longer be safe,
especially on that corner during rush hour when a race track was evidenced
around that 5-way stop. Ms. Bordhos noted that the basketball stand in their
driveway had been knocked over twice from outside vehicles turning around in
their driveway. If people were mad with the road closed temporarily, Ms.
Bordhos stated it scared her to death to see their reaction if the road was
opened up again.
though their property would lose several mature trees with the project, Ms.
Bordhos spoke in support of the project and thanked the City Council for
allowing permanent closure of Wheeler Street.
Bell, 3065 Shorewood Lane
Bell advised that their home was one of nine homes backing on Wheeler Street
and fronting on Shorewood Lane. In terms of access to and from their garage
off Wheeler Street, Mr. Bell stated that in the forty plus years living there,
the quality of life had improved beyond belief since the temporary closure of
Wheeler Street as it related to traffic, the number of children playing on the
street, and increased and safe bicycle traffic. Mr. Bell opined it made all
the difference in the world, and stated he couldn't say enough about how it had
changed the entire neighborhood's qualify of life, even when backing out of
your driveway and not being as concerned getting hit when doing so.
Bell stated he was strongly in favor of the closure, and couldn't emphasize
that support enough.
Brennen, 1776 Shorewood Curve (corner of Shorewood Curve and Wheeler Street)
Brennen stated she was 1000% in favor of the closure, also having lived forty
plus years on her street and the traffic changes she'd observed as Lydia
traffic had increased and with the expansion of Presbyterian Homes. While
steel having no sidewalks, with everyone having to use the streets, Ms. Brennen
noted the increased safety, including just last week a track team from the
University of Northwestern able to use the street without traffic safety
concerns. Ms. Brennen recognized the inconvenience for some, but compared to
safety and other pluses it created, she opined that inconvenience seemed minor,
closure was the most prudent action. Ms. Brennen asked the City Council to
consider keeping the road closed.
Phillips, 3084 Shorewood Lane
lived in his home for over 49 years, Mr. Phillips reviewed the past character
of the neighborhood, University of Northwestern changes over the years, and
changes within the neighborhood over those years. Noting the attractiveness of
the streets in this neighborhood as a speedway, Mr. Phillips addressed hazards,
and what precipitated the proposed closure of Wheeler Street based on his
perceptions, and as it related to redevelopment at Presbyterian Homes in Arden
Hills, with notices sent to the neighborhood requesting their contributions to
that discussion, even though the City of Roseville had been excluded from that
mailed notice that ended at the north end of Wheeler Street.
Phillips recognized the agreement being indicated by Mayor Roe and
Councilmember McGehee as they recalled the process as well.
it was disconcerting to have this fate accompli made for changes to the
neighborhood by Presbyterian Homes and the City of Arden Hills, Mr. Phillips
noted this prompted neighbors to come to the Roseville City Council at that
time (2011) and seek recourse with their agreement that the City of Arden Hills
could have been more accommodating to receive input from Roseville, with a
letter sent by the Roseville City Council asking Arden Hills to listen to
residents beyond their borders and attempt to accommodate them.
Phillips noted the response from Arden Hills was to essentially not recognize
that request. When neighbors also met with owners of Presbyterian Homes at
their facility on Hamline Avenue and voiced concerns about the exit created and
traffic dumping onto Wheeler Street directly, Mr. Phillips noted they had been
very accommodating and created the pork chop to help divert traffic from going
straight down Wheeler Street, even thought that pork chop would now go away
based on his understanding.
Phillips advised that he had written a letter voicing his support of the
closure, and as mentioned by Ms. Brennan, the temporary closure had made their
neighborhood a true neighborhood and changed its quality. Mr. Phillips agreed
it may be a minor inconvenience to access the freeway at a different location
to the north, he opined it was extremely minor compared to the enormous benefit
and importance to all those affected in the neighborhood and creation of a
substantial enhancement to their property values by no longer having a
throughway or race track from Lydia to Presbyterian Homes.
Phillips stated he had not been aware of any residual resistance to the closure
before attending tonight, thinking all had been said and done. However, Mr.
Phillips advised that he couldn't allow some of the misperceptions to go
unchallenged without stating the actual events and process leading up to this
requested action for the benefit of the public and this City Council. Mr.
Phillips opined that if there had been considerable contention from the
neighborhood, the City Council would have heard it before tonight and certainly
seen a larger contingent in opposition. Mr. Phillips reiterated his support
for the closure, and asked that the City Council also support that closure.
Burney, 3045 Shorewood Lane
Burney opined that even with the County Road D reconstruction, if Wheeler
Avenue was reopened, vehicles would still use it to get north. Mr. Burney
stated he'd seen an increase in traffic since the temporary closure, but noted
it was good traffic (e.g. pedestrians, bicycles, and kids playing on the
street) and five years ago that couldn't have happened with limiting traffic to
the neighborhood versus through traffic. Mr. Burney stated he was very much in
favor of the permanent closure, opining it was a great idea and hoped it would
Lundberg, 2035 Wheeler Street
Lundberg advised he had originally heard about the Presbyterian Homes'
expansion and Arden Hills City Council actions, being asked if he was aware of
it, prior to receiving the petition for temporary closure of Wheeler Street.
Mr. Lundberg noted discussions with Presbyterian Homes about how bad traffic
was coming from their parking lot and anticipating further issues with the
expansion; and all agreeing that traffic was a big issue even without the
expansion, with vehicles using the street as a frequent shortcut. Mr. Lundberg
stated he really wanted Wheeler Street closed.
Speaker: Michelle Lacy, Shorewood Drive (Arden Hills)
her appreciation for all comments made tonight, Ms. Lacy asked to add that,
while understanding and empathizing with speakers and the nice neighborhood
created with the temporary closure, she simply asked that the Roseville City Council
pause to consider other alternatives to rectify the situation that their
neighborhood had expressed. Ms. Lacy noted the numerous Arden Hills City
Council meetings she'd sat through and objections stated to the nature of the
huge Presbyterian Homes project and changes to driveway outlets. Ms. Lacy
opined that they didn't feel their concerns had been considered at all even
though the impacts were to the broader neighborhood and global community.
Speaker: Patrick Phillips, 3084 Shorewood Lane
Phillips noted that when Wheeler Street was closed, his driveway served as a
turnaround spot, and even though that will only get worse when closed further
back, it wouldn't change what was happening. Mr. Phillips noted traffic flow
wouldn't be known until vehicles start using other side streets.
Speaker: Tom Lundberg, 2035 Wheeler Street
the request of Mr. Lundberg, Mayor Roe responded to questions about planting
and signage to facilitate fewer driveway turnaround episodes.
Roe closed the public hearing at approximately 7:35 p.m.
moved, Willmus seconded, adoption of Resolution No. 11368 (revised) entitled,
"Resolution Accepting Plans and Specifications and Ordering Advertisement for
Bids for Wheeler Street Closure" AND adoption of Resolution No. 11367 entitled,
"Resolution Ordering the Improvement for Wheeler Street Closure;" both
respectively revised as noted in the bench handouts.
recognizing speakers from Arden Hills, Councilmember McGehee stated she was
extremely sympathetic to their situation, but opined the public safety concerns
were not due to closure of Wheeler Street. As a long-time volunteer at
Presbyterian homes as well as serving on the City Council throughout this
Wheeler Street temporary and permanent closure process, Councilmember McGehee
noted her distress in the Presbyterian Homes expansion that used up
considerable green space without any apparent consideration by their firm.
After consulting with city engineers, Councilmember McGehee stated she had
personally met with the architect for Presbyterian Homes seeking a change to
plans that would have brought their traffic onto Lake Johanna Boulevard
versus Wheeler Street or Shorewood Lane, but opined she had found them
intractable and suggested the pork chop may have been their response.
recognizing that the City of Arden Hills hadn't offered an olive branch to
Roseville residents, Councilmember McGehee stated the Roseville City Council's
commitment was to their residents. In response to concerns with the permanent
closure, Councilmember McGehee referenced a previous closure of County Road B
at Highway 280 and similar worries and contention in that neighborhood.
However, now that it had been completed, Councilmember McGehee noted the
neighborhood was now a quiet and peaceful neighborhood, with a pathway recently
installed to facilitate neighborhood pedestrian and bicycle traffic.
a continuing volunteer at Presbyterian Homes, Councilmember McGehee noted their
parking was inadequate, and if Wheeler Street was to remain open, it would only
serve as a shortcut but also would invite Presbyterian Homes parking on Wheeler
street as well.
McGehee spoke in support of the permanent closure of Wheeler Street; opining
Twin Lakes Parkway may actually turn out to be a positive, even though it would
bring additional traffic into and through Roseville.
Willmus stated he was in agreement with much of Councilmember McGehee's
comments; and also sympathized with Arden Hills' resident concerns on Shorewood
Drive. However, Councilmember Willmus stated he didn't think the answer was to
keep Wheeler Street open due to Presbyterian Homes' development north of the
intersection at County Road D and Wheeler Street. Instead, Councilmember Willmus
suggested the Roseville City Council reaching out to its colleagues in Arden
Hills to take a closer look at the performance of the 5-way intersection to see
if improvement measures were available.
Etten seconded all of the comments of Councilmember Willmus, noting ongoing
discussions regarding this intersection in the past. Councilmember Etten asked
if City Engineer Freihammer had any thoughts about incorporating such
additional intersection work as part of the County Road D reconstruction
Freihammer responded that, as noted in previous City Council discussions, staff
had consulted with Ramsey County on the possibility of an additional turn lane
off County Road D, but stated he was unaware if that was still under consideration
by Ramsey County or if it would be possibly be part of Fairview Avenue
reconstruction in the future.
the request of Mayor Roe, Mr. Freihammer clarified that there was nothing
planned for the intersection as part of the current Arden Hills project on
County Road D.
Laliberte concurred with the comments of her colleagues in supporting this
permanent closure, eliminating people using it as a cut-through. Councilmember
Laliberte noted the temporary closure had clearly shown what the neighborhood
could be if it no longer served as a shortcut. While favoring moving forward
with permanent closure, Councilmember Laliberte also agreed that the Cities of
Roseville and Arden Hills should work together, whether or not Arden Hills had communicated
well in the past with Roseville, it could be changed for the better going
forward. Councilmember Laliberte expressed appreciation for alerting her to
previous interactions or lack thereof, since she had been unaware of that past
process. Since Ramsey County seemed interested in discussing options for
Fairview Avenue that would impact the 5-way intersection, Councilmember
Laliberte urged Roseville city staff to pursue that interest sooner rather than
later to address issues in this congested area.
Roe noted that one other past discussion in terms of reconfiguring the 5-way
intersection was the potential to disconnect Lake Johanna Boulevard and moving
further north on Fairview Avenue, creating a 4-way intersection instead.
However, Mayor Roe noted it hadn't gone beyond discussion at that time, and
while unsure what will ultimately occur, it should remain on the radar screen,
especially given the ongoing changes at the University of Northwestern over the
years and growth occurring in the Twin Lakes area; and continued discussions
with Ramsey County.
Arden Hills residents and their concerns with notices of the proposed permanent
closure, Mayor Roe reviewed the City of Roseville's land use notice policy for
notification 500' from a project site, he noted this TMP approach was different
in addressing those property owners asked to pay for an improvement, and thus
no notice to Arden Hills residents. Mayor Roe suggested Roseville city staff
keep this situation in mind for future reference when a project bordered
terms of this particular action, Mayor Roe offered his support of this action
as addressed by his colleagues; and while sympathizing with concerns expressed
by Arden Hills residents, noted that neighborhood had long had limited access
in and out. Having served on the Roseville City Council in 2011, Mayor Roe
noted his observations when driving through that neighborhood and seeing its
isolation and access issues. Mayor Roe opined it didn't seem fair to Roseville
residents on Wheeler Street to continue providing access to that broader
neighborhood when there was easy access west on Fairview, especially with the
improvements being made to County Road D.
Mayor Roe recessed
the meeting at approximately 7:46 p.m., and reconvened at approximately 7:52
Business Items (Action Items)
Complaint Alleging violations of the Roseville Ethics Code by City Council
Councilmembers McGehee and
Laliberte recused themselves from the discussion and vote.
At the request
of Mayor Roe, City Attorney Gaughan reviewed the alleged violations to
Roseville Ethics Code by Councilmembers Laliberte and McGehee as formerly filed
by Mr. Brad Koland as part of his application for a Minor Subdivision at 1926
Gluek Lane earlier this summer.
Gaughan advised that his office had reviewed, investigated and provided a
written report, submitted to the Roseville Ethics Commission last week, noting
the three options available for that body in their consideration of a complaint
were as follows:
the findings of the City Attorney and forward them to the City Council for
their ultimate action on the matter;
their own report, and while they are not authorized to conduct any further
investigation, they can craft their own findings and forward them to the City
Council for their ultimate action on the matter; or
no action and defer to the City Council for ultimate action, but with no action
by this body on the matter.
Gaughan noted that, in accordance to the Roseville Ethics Code, the City
Council was obligated to take final action on both complaints. Since both
complaints were similar in nature and filed simultaneously, Mr. Gaughan advised
that their office had consolidated their investigation into one report and
outlining facts supporting their identical conclusion regarding each
complaint. Mr. Gaughan advised that this report had been presented an open and
televised meeting of the Ethics Commission; and was included in tonight's
agenda packet materials for public review and submitted to the City Council for
their ultimate action in accordance with the Ethics Code.
For the benefit
of the public and as a refresher for the City Council, City Attorney Gaughan
reviewed what the Ethics Code was intended for as a code of conduct, and not a
law, but an attempt for the best interest of the broader community to be at the
forefront of any city actions. Mr. Gaughan reviewed the two prongs of ethics
code, for government officials and/or elected officials and also for city
noted in his written report, City Attorney Gaughan stated one thing notably
missing was that there was no implication or notice that either Councilmember
Laliberte or Councilmember McGehee did anything in their own personal interest
as opposed to the city's best interest that would indicate either made any
decisions on the Minor Subdivision application without the best interest of the
city at the forefront of their decision-making. As such, Mr. Gaughan advised
that his office determined that neither alleged complaint supported any
provision that the Ethics Code had been violated by either councilmember. Mr.
Gaughan further noted that in terms of elements of a violation, the complaint
didn't even present a true interpretation of the city's Ethics Code.
Attorney Gaughan advised that deliberation by the Ethics Commission was
included in their meeting minutes provided as a bench handout for tonight's
meeting and also available for the public at the back of the City Council
Chambers. With no violation found as noted in his written report, Mr. Gaughan
recommended that the City Council, as final decision-makers, should find that
no Ethics Code violations occurred and therefore, no adverse actions taken
against Councilmembers Laliberte and McGehee. Mr. Gaughan referenced the
findings and recommendations in agreement with his office by the Ethics
Commission that no violations of the Ethics Code had been established by Mr.
Koland's complaints against Councilmembers Laliberte and McGehee.
Brad Koland, 1926 Gluek Lane
reviewed the City Attorney's office' analysis and agreed that there had no
personal gain for either Councilmember McGehee or Laliberte. However, specific
to Section related to public officials, Mr. Koland provided his interpretation
of "fair and equitable treatment." Mr. Koland further reviewed his
interpretation of the Preamble to the Ethics Code related to ethical
considerations. Mr. Koland clarified that the basis of his complaint(s)
stemmed from mailings sent out for his Minor Subdivision land use application
and the City Council's role, referencing and displaying the post card mailing
for the public hearing on that land use application. Mr. Koland stated that
his concern was with false statements he considered had been made, and staff
recommendations made related to the subdivision of lots as submitted in his
application and how square footage and lot configuration had been interpreted
from his perspective. Mr. Koland opined that if findings of individual city
council members were personal opinions and not that of elected officials of the
City Council, he questioned where accountability for those opinions came in
during the course of city business, and their reliability for those judgments
or whether they became questionable.
Gaughan responded briefly noted that such robust discussions and individual
opinions were frequently part of the decision-making process of elected
officials, including the City Council. Mr. Gaughan refocused tonight's
discussion on the formal written complaint merely consisting of an accusation
of violation of the City's Ethics Code. Mr. Gaughan noted this didn't in any
way state that it wasn't important that public officials treat citizens fairly;
noting the process for citizens to voice their displeasure if they felt a
public official hadn't duly executed the duties of their office through the
election process. Mr. Gaughan reiterated the intent of the Ethics Code to be
applied when a public official used their position for personal interest or
gain versus that of the city and its broader constituency.
Specific to the
Preamble clause of the Ethics Code addressed by Mr. Koland in his statements
tonight, City Attorney Gaughan noted Mr. Koland's misunderstanding of the City
Attorney's written report and reference, suggesting that as the complainant,
Mr. Koland alleged that Councilmembers Laliberte and McGehee failed to follow
proper channels by not simply rubberstamping city staff's recommendation for
approval of Mr. Koland's Minor Subdivision application. Mr. Gaughan clarified
language in the Preamble as well as Section 1 of the Ethics Code, specific to
individual opinions related storm water mitigation concerns in this particular
Willmus advised that he had viewed the Ethics Commission and report of the City
Attorney to that body, noting that it had proven a robust discussion; and left
him in agreement with the Commission that no violation of the Ethics Code had
Etten seconded, concurrence with the findings of the investigation and
recommendations of the City Attorney and recommendation of the Roseville Ethics
Commission, that no violations of the Ethics Code had been established by Mr.
Koland's complaints against Councilmembers Laliberte and McGehee; and no
further action was indicated.
agreeing with the findings for denial of Mr. Koland's Minor Subdivision request
heard by the City Council in July of 2016, Councilmember Etten advised that he
didn't feel anything rose to the status of an Ethics Code complaint; and stated
his support of the findings of City Attorney Gaughan and the Ethics Commission.
stated his agreement with City Attorney Gaughan that this did not meet the
definition of a violation of the Roseville Ethics Code. Mayor Roe opined it
was the discretion of all elected officials to review, apply and act on their
own viewpoints, including consideration of city staff recommendations and input
heard from residents.
Councilmember Etten, Mayor Roe noted he also did not vote to deny Mr. Koland's
application based on findings expressed at the July meetings. However, Mayor
Roe clarified that the purpose of findings was to advise the reason for such a
denial; and if there was contention related to a denial, noted the appropriate
course of action for contesting those findings was through a court of law.
Mayor Roe opined
that the only nuance he could find for a potential violation of the Ethics Code
would be the issue of confidential information if it was not otherwise
obtainable. However, in this case, Mayor Roe opined it was clear there had
been no violation of the Roseville Ethics Code; and reiterated that the court
system could be used if and when appropriate as it related to disagreeing with
a finding and actual action of the City Council.
clarified that by finding that there was no violation of the Roseville Ethics
Code, it further indicated that it meant those having the complaint filed
against them found no evidence or interpretation that there was any existence
of any ethical lax on the part of those individuals.
Ayes: Willmus, Etten and
Abstained: McGehee and
Member to the Finance Commission
McGehee seconded, appointment of John Murray to the Finance Commission for a
term expiring March 31, 2017.
Mayor Roe thanked
both applicants for this one vacancy; and thanked the Finance Commission Chair,
Robin Schroeder, for her input on the process.
Project Municipal Consent and Noise Wall Vote
Public Works Director
Marc Culver summarized this project and related action items requested as
detailed in the RCA of today's date. Mr. Culver noted a formal public hearing
had been held by the City Council at their July 25, 2016 meeting, with no
public comments - either written or verbal - heard at that hearing.
As part of his
presentation, Mr. Culver reviewed the project scope, timeline and up to four-year
construction period anticipated starting in 2018 or 2019 depending on final
funding. In the proposed design build project delivery method, Mr. Culver
advised that it allowed an opportunity for a contractor to provide value
engineering to reduce the overall cost of a project and/or shorten the
construction timeline as well. Mr. Culver reviewed state law as it pertained
to municipal consent when a trunk highway added capacity, modified access or
obtained right-of-way; in this case adding capacity. Mr. Culver noted other
communities besides Roseville also needing to provide their consent, including
the Cities of New Brighton, Arden Hills, Mounds View, Shoreview, Lexington,
Blaine and Lino Lakes.
advised one other item for consideration by the City Council tonight was
installation of a noise wall based on an analysis conducted by MnDOT at eight
different locations along this area of the I-35W corridor based on their
criteria and if and where warranted and whether or not it was proven
cost-effective. Mr. Culver reported that in Roseville, a noise wall was under
MnDOT's consideration between County Roads C and D on the east side of I-35W,
located just north of the ramps from Cleveland Avenue. Mr. Culver provided a
visual display of the proposed noise wall design, 14' in height; and the
process used by MnDOT for impacted and benefitting property owners and tenants
and vote allotment.
businesses along the corridor, Mr. Culver noted some prefer more visibility
from the freeway versus benefits of a noise reduction wall; and reviewed how
votes were assigned by points based on a property's proximity to the proposed
noise wall and whether or not the vote is from a tenant or property owner. Mr.
Culver reported that the City of Roseville, as a property owner due to the
location of a trail along the east side of a proposed noise wall making them
considered to be a tenant, was allotted eleven votes worth a total of 21
points. Mr. Culver displayed photos of the current and proposed pathway and
location proposed for installation of a noise wall.
provided the current tally of votes submitted as of earlier today and total
eligible points to-date. Mr. Culver reported that there were now enough "yes"
votes without the city vote that would warrant installation of a noise wall.
reviewed the city's options to vote "yes" and add to the votes already in favor
of the noise wall; to vote "no" and add to the minority not supporting a noise
wall; or to simply choose to not submit a vote.
At the request
of Councilmember Etten, Mr. Culver noted the one business on the north end
concerned about visibility, and based on city staff's most recent discussions
with MnDOT staff on the possibility to cut the wall off sooner for visibility
of that business. Mr. Culver advised that this property owner had voted "no,"
even though it was currently an empty lot. Mr. Culver reported that Xcel
Energy, another property owner along the corridor, had not submitted any vote
to-date. Mr. Culver reported there may be an opportunity to truncate the noise
wall or modify the design to negotiate a settlement if the city chose not to
submit a vote. Mr. Culver opined this would enforce an opportunity for staff
to work with MnDOT on modifying that noise wall height or provide earlier
termination than the current proposed northern-most end.
ensued regarding the actual height of the noise wall and interpretations by the
property owner in question, with staff agreeing that clarification was needed.
Etten stated he was in favor of modifying the wall related to visibility for
those properties impacted at that point.
Willmus stated he was fine with the noise wall, but shared concerns regarding
exposure for businesses to the freeway.
McGehee agreed with her colleagues, but stated her preference to defer to
businesses with the most stake in visibility issues and agreed with staff's
recommendation for the city to abstain or take no action either way if it would
help their negotiating position on behalf of city businesses most impacted by
Mayor Roe noted
the city had set some precedent in the with the Highway 36 noise wall and no
neighbors appearing at the time of the initial approval, but then after the
fact the city had been able to get modifications on the wall from MnDOT.
Laliberte noted hotels further south had expressed interest in the noise wall
due to freeway noise from clients staying there and their complaints about
noise. Councilmember Laliberte spoke in support of the wall, but recognized
visibility concerns of those businesses on the northern most end.
offered an opportunity for public comment on this project, with no one
appearing for or against.
Willmus seconded, adoption of Resolution No. 11366 (Attachment A) entitled,
"Resolution Approving Municipal Consent for the MnDOT I-35W Project S.P.
Etten and Willmus agreed that this would prove a long-term good step and
balance for those using I-35W as well as for businesses along the freeway.
Laliberte also agreed. However, while work was being done for improvements to
the north/south traffic corridor, Councilmember Laliberte noted the remaining
pressure on east/west corridors, especially along Highway 36; and still needing
addressed for residents as well as those moving through the Roseville
McGehee concurred; even though she stated she was not looking forward to four
years of increased traffic back-ups during the construction period.
Mayor Roe spoke
in support of municipal consent, even though there had been some opposition
expressed by some residents via online forums. From an engineering
perspective, and also from a municipal perspective, Mayor Roe opined that high
occupancy lanes versus general traffic lanes provided additional benefit to
move people through a corridor with those managed lanes that seemed to be
proving effective throughout the metropolitan area.
Ayes: Willmus, Etten,
McGehee, Laliberte and Roe.
McGehee seconded, withholding the City of Roseville's municipal vote on
installation of a noise wall as part of MnDOT I-35W Project S.P. 6284-172 for
the purpose of continued negotiations by respective staff to end the wall
further south of County Road D on behalf of local business interests.
Business Items - Presentations/Discussions
Discuss Recommendations Regarding Neighborhood Associations from
the Community Engagement Commission (CEC)
recognized Community Engagement Chair Scot Becker, who offered his availability
during tonight's discussion for any questions of the City Council related to
recommendations of the CEC.
Mayor Roe noted
this report had been presented several meetings ago; and reiterated his and the
City Council's appreciation for the work of the Neighborhood Association Task
Force and CEC. Mayor Roe referenced meeting minutes included in tonight's
agenda packet as attachments to the RCA, and summarized the City Council's last
discussion and conclusion of the body for baby steps, and tonight's subsequent
discussion to better identify those steps going forward.
Since the last
discussion, Councilmember Laliberte reviewed the process taken to get to this
point, and addressed misperceptions or statements made contrary to the actual
intent of the CEC and City Council. Councilmember Laliberte clarified that no
one on either body was advocating for or mandating neighborhood associations
anywhere in the city. However, Councilmember Laliberte there had been some
polarity throughout the process, as well as some disappointment. Councilmember
Laliberte noted there had been considerable discussion and struggle among the
CEC members and individual City Council members specific to defining the
legality of associations, what the city funded, and limits to any funds
expended as part of or as a result of the initial report recommendations.
Laliberte suggested starting tonight's discussion with those areas where
everyone was in agreement, including goals to build more cohesive neighborhoods
and connections for the benefit of all versus reactionary associations to some
impending doom or other volatile issue. Councilmember Laliberte opined the
intent was for these neighborhood associations to provide safety, connection
and trust; and further opined the City Council could facilitate those goals.
As suggested by Mayor Roe, Councilmember Laliberte agreed that small steps
could be taken for those areas of agreement.
Laliberte noted each neighborhood was unique and opined that organic and
informal were just as good as a more formal neighborhood association with
bylaws and leadership. Councilmember Laliberte opined that either option would
prove successful based on natural leadership within a given neighborhood that
couldn't always be guaranteed, but if neighbors were driven to organize may not
remain within that given leadership role or even within that neighborhood.
However, Councilmember Laliberte acknowledged that the City Council was in
agreement that the city didn't have sufficient staff to spearhead neighborhood
associations or serve as community liaisons, referencing the City of St. Louis
Park and City of Edina Models provided as part of the report.
Laliberte referenced her discussions with the Police Department's Community
Relations Coordinator Corey Yunke related to current block captains and ongoing
visits in neighborhoods by Police and Fire Department personnel during various
events or neighborhood activities. With approximately 150 identified block
captains, Councilmember Laliberte suggested focusing on them to increase
communications, possibly through a city newsletter component to engage those
leaders and encourage a broader role, or through using a variety of social
media tools already in place. Councilmember Laliberte opined that the bones of
that block club program were good, and there was room for building trust with
that; and noted even though it basically ran itself now, it could use more
focus. Councilmember Laliberte noted that the program currently worked on a
project-related response based on need (e.g. code enforcement or crime alerts),
and as noted by Mr. Yunke, the attempt was to deal with situations as they
arise beyond the annual Night Out efforts and annual training event coming up
soon. Councilmember Laliberte suggested making sure that training by asking
involved block captains, already proven leaders, how they considered ways to
ramp up their neighborhood's involvement in and with the community.
Laliberte advised that she had also learned from Mr. Yunke that the Police
Foundation had funded an intern to audit the current neighborhood watch program
and assess those contacts still engaged and where new contacts were needed.
Councilmember Laliberte suggested that the city follow that lead to identify
neighborhood teams versus those with only one person or contact (e.g. such as
co-captains or block teams). Councilmember Laliberte noted this would help
recruit some new captains to take up the mantel. Based on GIS special mapping
applications, Councilmember Laliberte noted that, even though approximately 60%
of the city was covered by current and active leaders, there remained areas of
overlap or gaps.
Laliberte spoke in support of the CEC recommendation to create a tool kit
providing tips or suggestions to build a cohesive neighborhood as a good place
to start, such as the 12-tip document model included in packet materials.
recognizing the merit of the fuller presentation by the Task Force and CEC,
Councilmember Laliberte questioned if the City Council had sufficient answers
to move forward today. Councilmember Laliberte suggested initial staff needs
may be needed before making those decisions (e.g. copying costs and frequency
for mailings). Councilmember Laliberte also noted the lack of many
neighborhoods in finding meeting space, and suggested that was another
opportunity for the city to assist with public meeting space.
Councilmember Laliberte suggested the City Council needed more discussion and
decision-making before moving forward with other recommendations; noting the
steps she outlined above would provide a good starting point.
McGehee opined that tonight had proven an example of how the city works and
works well, with the Wheeler Street neighborhood working with staff for over
five years, resulting in a good resolution.
McGehee opined that any number of community organizations or people came up
with good ideas as individuals or as a group. When the city performed its last
community survey, Councilmember McGehee noted the leading thing felt by
respondents was their connection with their neighborhood, opining that proved
to her that there was no lack of cohesion or self-identity.
McGehee spoke in support of having tips for forming informal neighborhood
associations, or making meeting space available through one or more of the six
park buildings located throughout the city that she understood were free of
charge for community or civic use.
McGehee opined that the block captain program was excellent, but opined there
were other neighborhoods that were equally as cohesive without that leadership.
McGehee stated she was happy to be as helpful as possible for any group of
residents with ideas or proposals, positive or objective. However,
Councilmember McGehee stated she was not supportive of an approach that
required an association to meet specific requirements and the city would
respond accordingly, opining all members of the community were important.
In his review
of discussions to-date, and recommendations of the Task Force and CEC,
Councilmember Willmus opined that he found a lot of good initiatives.
considering expenditures of tax monies for the benefit of one group or one
neighborhood association, Councilmember Willmus opined that it was important to
have some level of oversight to make sure of the process and how those funds
are being spent, something he considered to be an important aspect.
Specific to the
use of community facilities, as long as meetings remained open to the public as
a whole and not limited in attendance, Councilmember Willmus stated he was fine
facilitating their meetings, but suggested that may be a point of discussion
Going back to
his review of those involved in preparing the series of recommendations,
Councilmember Willmus opined that they had done a good job, and even though he
understood there had been some disagreement, dissent and personality issues as
things progressed, to him that didn't mean all of the recommendations got
tossed aside. If a framework approach is used, Councilmember Willmus opined
that there were things that could be moved forward; and agreed it was
unfortunate that a lot of misinformation had been tossed about suggesting city
mandates, and reiterated that while it was unfortunate, it was certainly not
Etten expressed his appreciation to Councilmember Laliberte for her thorough
thoughts on this item; and supported a lot of what she addressed in her
Etten spoke specifically to the Cohansey neighborhood group with which he was
involved, and recognized Mr. Yunke having spoken to their group; and expressed
his interest in seeing that communication continue and improve. Councilmember
Etten suggested other city staff could support those efforts so Mr. Yunke
wasn't doing it alone, and resulting in more formalized and/or frequent
communication (e.g. list serves and other existing communication tools) to make
more direct connections to neighborhoods.
Etten opined that he loved the training for block captains and future captains
and encouraging positive interaction.
Etten spoke in support of a tool kit to help organize and guide neighborhoods;
but agreed with Councilmember Willmus that before more city resources and tax
dollars are spent on mailings, copies, or city website space, acknowledgement
of how an association or group of neighbors organized themselves for voting
purposes was necessary, not necessarily indicating the need for a formal
neighborhood association, but making sue the group was serving its neighborhood
Etten noted his family was personally interlaced with two separate neighborhood
associations, and they found it to work fine, and opined that it actually
served to encourage communication among neighborhoods to avoid competition and
provide interaction at different levels.
thanked Councilmember Laliberte for setting up a framework for tonight's
discussion and for moving forward.
Mayor Roe noted
that one nice thing about the outline was getting experience to find out what
was working, what was lacking, and provide an opportunity for neighborhood
recommendations provided by the Neighborhood Association Task Force and CEC,
Mayor Roe opined were helpful; but agreed that before taking twenty steps to
put an infrastructure and/or policies in place, it made sense to get some
smaller things in place now and grow from that. Mayor Roe opined this may
indicate a lot of unmet needs were in the community, but agreed it was a good
thing to find out first that would allow the city to be in a better position to
meet that need if that was the only result coming out of these broader
suggested following the steps outlined by Councilmember Laliberte for that
starting point in the process.
Chair Scot Becker
At the request
of Mayor Roe, CEC Chair Becker clarified that the original recommendations of
the Task Force and CEC did not include copies as part of the services provided
to neighborhood associations by the city. Chair Becker advised that only an
annual mailing for a formal association was suggested.
In looking at
bock clubs, Chair Becker further clarified that the intent was not to exclude
them beyond a return on the city's investment in terms of money or staff
resources and website emphasis, as well as endorsement of those organizations
by the city. Chair Becker stated that the intent was that there should be some
minimal considerations to make sure there was no discrimination in membership
or within the neighborhood as part of the recommendations.
Laliberte clarified that the broader work done and recommendations of the
Neighborhood Association Task Force and CEC were relevant when the timing was
right. Councilmember Laliberte acknowledged that she'd met several Roseville
residents who had moved here from other communities having a formal
neighborhood association who expressed that they missed that aspect.
Councilmember Laliberte opined that building up to that point was important as
well as understanding the give/get piece and soliciting feedback from
neighborhoods already providing that aspect. Councilmember Laliberte suggested
that by doing this preliminary work and taking smaller steps in the process
would make the broader effort more successful if and when the city pulled the
trigger on these recommendations of the Task Force and CEC.
McGehee suggested those efforts could be part of the training for block
captains, and supply contact information. However, Councilmember McGehee noted
the need to provide a parallel source of information for communication beyond
social media and the website for those in the community without internet or
Trudgeon verified direction to staff:
Staff preparation of a draft tool kit of best practices for a
neighborhood to pursue, using available resources, and further refinement going
Recognizing that block clubs were intended for public safety
efforts by the Roseville Police Department, City Manager Trudgeon cautioned
that they not be morphed into something else during the process or require that
a block club engage in an annual meeting, with his understanding that such a
step would require more City Council discussion in directing staff
accordingly. Mr. Trudgeon noted his perception that the City Council was not
suggesting more work for the Police Department or Mr. Yunke specifically, and
if additional resources or information were sought, it would be necessary to
define how those requests would work while not compromising the original intent
of the block clubs. Mr. Trudgeon opined he thought that could easily be worked
Laliberte suggested discussion with Mr. Yunke to inform and involve the whole
department as to the needs and determine time requirements involved. If all
were in agreement, Councilmember Laliberte further suggested hearing from Mr.
Yunke on his ideas that he or the department would like to pursue but were
unable to do so at this time, or ways the program could be enhanced, using that
additional information moving forward.
Etten agreed with the need for additional communication methods beyond the
internet that would not exclude anyone.
suggested not putting everything on the Police Department but making it
inter-disciplinary throughout the city organization, similar to the efforts
with the Karen community, Imagine Roseville and other efforts to find ways to
do things better. If the effort was public safety based, Mayor Roe noted the
Police Department's involvement was obvious. However, if it was more broadly
based, Mayor Roe noted there were other ways to make those connections by using
interdepartmental staffing by a team to make something work.
McGehee agreed on the interdepartmental approach. Councilmember McGehee
expressed appreciation for Councilmember Laliberte's recognition that not
everyone was a leader or wants to be a leader, and not every neighborhood has
or wants a leader. Councilmember McGehee opined that the reality is that they
are their neighborhoods, with their voices and their unique system.
Councilmember McGehee stated her only concern in terms of the tool kit was if
someone felt like a leader, they could get information from the City Manager to
assist them, even though most leaders took the initiative to find resources on
Laliberte spoke in support of a collaborative proposal from staff on what they
thought they might need and how it may work.
City Manager Trudgeon duly noted that suggestion.
Laliberte further suggested addressing privacy issues and boundaries with block
captains, providing an opportunity but also alerting them to potential
limitations or conflicts.
Specific to discussion about revamping the Welcome Packet, no matter what
scenario resulted, Councilmember Laliberte suggested that may be a good
location for the bullet point ideas for neighborhood associations.
suggested that the intent remained that neighborhoods form for reasons other
than reacting to potentially bad things in their neighborhood, but to provide a
way for neighbors to connect. Referencing last week's Imagine Roseville
community meeting on race and policing, Mayor Roe noted the ways sought to
communication connect with each other, not through a city-initiated mandate,
but suggested a team approach as recommended by his colleagues. Mayor Roe
opined that one role of the city should be to foster and develop leaders in a
neighborhood community for the broader city and promote leadership. Mayor Roe
opined this was one pathway to achieving leadership, by trying out some things
and considering those that may be most prudent moving forward.
objection, Mayor Roe clarified the direction to staff:
Continue to work on the tool kit and bring a revised draft back
to the City Council for review and approval
Provide staff's thoughts to the City Council on how best to
utilize block captains informing future discussion.
thanked the Neighborhood Association Task Force, the CEC and Chair Becker for
their work in getting the discussion to this point.
Hilden, Bayview Drive
noted she had started the Lake McCarrons Neighborhood Association, now in its
twenty-fifth year; and in her past had worked in building 100 to 150 block
clubs within the City of St. Paul. In her discussions with other Roseville residents
and Mr. Yunke, Ms. Hilden stated her wholehearted support of tonight's
discussion. Ms. Hilden opined that starting with block clubs was a great
starting point, since they were organic and already existed. Ms. Hilden noted
the many ideas of Mr. Yunke, but also noted he was overworked and suggested no
additional dumping on his existing work load, which she understood was not an
intent based on tonight's discussion. Ms. Hilden opined that the framework
laid out by Councilmember Laliberte reflected Mr. Yunke's framework as well
based on her discussions with him over the years; and applauded the City
Council for agreeing to move forward with an informal process. Ms. Hilden
opined that the more formal the process, the more doomed it could prove to be, even
though she recognized that each neighborhood was different. Ms. Hilden stated
her support for the idea of promoting leadership and allowing residents to have
that opportunity to learn how; and offered her personal services with those
thanked the City Council in acknowledging the work put into the report; and
while disagreeing with it and the process for a long time, opined it was a good
report and a lot of positive things came out of it as the process moved
Sanders, S McCarrons Blvd.
As the current
Chair of the Lake McCarrons Neighborhood Association, and as a former member of
the Neighborhood Association Task Force and of the CEC, Ms. Sanders reviewed
her perception of how the concept of mandating associations had come up through
the CEC seeking to have the city decide on boundaries of a neighborhood
association, as some communities did. Ms. Sanders noted her concern that the
intent was that the city mandate those associations and expressed concern that
this was the path the CEC was going down, which she considered then and
continued to feel was a wrong approach.
noted she was involved in the discussions between Ms. Hilden and Mr. Yunke
related to block captains. Ms. Sanders noted she had included that in the
report from the Task Force; and expressed her appreciation that the City
Council was choosing to support that idea, opining that neighborhoods needed to
build community leadership. Ms. Sanders also offered her assistance to the
City Council and staff as needed.
City Council Member McGehee's Request to Consider Requesting a
Bid from the Ramsey County Sheriff for Policing Services in Roseville
Mayor Roe recognized
Councilmember McGehee related to her previous request to present her request
for the City Council to consider requesting a bid from the Ramsey County
Sheriff for policing services in Roseville. Councilmember McGehee's proposal
was detailed in the RCA of today's date as well as several related attachments.
Prior to her
formal presentation, Councilmember McGehee moved to the presentation table and
clarified that her proposal had always been and remained only about city
finances, and was being presented at this time during the budget process. With
the city continuing to increase its current tax levy, Councilmember McGehee
advised that she continued to try to figure out a way to garner substantial
savings for the city's annual budget, thus her proposal.
McGehee referenced attachments to the RCA from City Manager Trudgeon and Police
Chief Rick Mathwig as far back as 2015 in response to her proposal; along with
her rebuttals to City Manager Trudgeon's memorandum (Attachment C) as redlined.
McGehee proceeded with her presentation, addressing various financial and budget
percentages and impacts with ongoing levy increases based on her research and
compared with estimated contract costs from the Ramsey County Sheriff's
Department based on average staffing and services with the exception of support
staff as well as with enhanced staffing; and based on their knowledge of
Roseville from the 9-1-1 dispatch system.
McGehee reviewed additional information involving contract savings and
potential discounts from equipment and space at the Roseville City Hall; and
possible options to use those additional funds to reduce infrastructure and
utility costs for residents, possibly moving the License Center to City Hall,
store parks & recreation equipment, and house the Roseville Historical
Society, as well as providing gym space for a staff wellness program by
utilizing the space currently taken up by the Police Department.
McGehee provided an outline of potential pros and cons with such a contract;
and frequent questions based on her discussions with Roseville residents as
they shared their questions and her responses to those questions.
McGehee asked that the City Council consider the potential of this outsourcing acknowledging
that it may impact City Hall, but opined would not significantly change police
services or jeopardize the public safety of Roseville residents. Councilmember
McGehee further opined substantial savings must be found for the city to
continue providing amenities to its residents without forcing many residents to
leave their homes due to ever-increasing tax levies, especially since the
Police Department's budget represented a significant portion (22.8%) of the
city's annual levy budget. Councilmember McGehee referenced several documents
included those in her presentation based on studies and various newspaper
articles. In conclusion, Councilmember McGehee noted her intent was not to
provide a comparison of the two agencies, but simply to ask the City Council to
consider the proposal as part of its annual budget consideration.
A copy of
Councilmember McGehee's power point is attached hereto.
granted by Mayor Roe, City Manager Trudgeon asked that the City Council indulge
him and for a response to Councilmember McGehee's proposal before they began
As outlined in
more detail in his memorandums as previously referenced, City Manager Trudgeon
sought to make the City Council aware of his reasons and stated that he was not
supportive of any proposal to seek police services from outside the city
Trudgeon alerted the City Council of several things, including their need to be
aware that the analysis provided in the packet was predicated by numbers from
the Ramsey County Sheriff without any input from the City Manager or Police
Chief. Mr. Trudgeon noted this analysis significantly underestimated current
services, and while it had been suggested that estimates in the packet were
equivalent of current staffing levels, he clarified that they were not
accurate, with the services not recognizing the current 2-3 patrol officers,
didn't recognize the current four patrol and seven investigators the City's
Police Department had, nor did it recognize the services provided by community
service officers within the department.
With the cost
estimates falling short of current staffing levels, City Manager Trudgeon noted
it didn't accurately reflect current staffing and actually resulted in less
service than the community currently received. Mr. Trudgeon noted that the
City of Roseville's Police Department had more calls for service and more open
cases than the other seven communities combined that participated in Ramsey
County's service area. With less people in Roseville than proposed in Ramsey
County, and the dedicated personnel toward those other seven communities, Mr.
Trudgeon noted would more than double the County's work load, creating unknown
implications. Mr. Trudgeon further noted per the additional deputy costs were
additional costs that had not been factored in to the information provided.
Trudgeon expressed concern in dealing with future cost increases for
outsourcing policing services for the city, noting increasing costs for
participating cities using Ramsey County Sheriff services. Mr. Trudgeon
reported that the current contract communities are seeing up to 6% increase for
Ramsey County services for the 2017 budget and control of these costs are
totally out of the hands of local city managers and their respective elected
officials. Mr. Trudgeon advised that there was usually little room for the city
to deny those increases. Also, Mr. Trudgeon asked what happened, and who the
city turned to if an outsourcing model no longer worked and how it would fund
starting over again to replaces it current equipment, squads, and personnel.
Even with the
goal stated by Councilmember McGehee was strictly from a financial perspective,
City Manager Trudgeon stated those figures shown in her analysis were not a
truly accurate picture. Mr. Trudgeon noted such an analysis should take far
more than finances into account, but also the policing service levels between
local and county officers, the quality of those services with Ramsey County
having a totally different mission and service model than that currently found
in Roseville. Mr. Trudgeon stated that simply showing calculations on a
spreadsheet, does not provide a clear picture. Mr. Trudgeon described the
hiring process for new police officers and the extensive screening, vetting and
training, the city does compared to Ramsey County. and for example used the
practice of hiring, vetting and training Roseville Police Officers with that of
Ramsey County. Mr. Trudgeon further noted that if contracting out for police
services, the city would lose control of discipline of its Police Chief and
officers, as well as the direct involvement of those officers with residents of
Roseville. Using another example, Mr. Trudgeon noted the attendance and
involvement by Roseville Police officers at the recent Imagine Roseville race
and policing community gathering and discussion. At that meeting, Mr. Trudgeon
noted the frequent comment that residents wanted more accountability and
transparency, but with abdicating the city's role to that of Ramsey County,
that local accountability would be lost. Mr. Trudgeon noted that Falcon
Heights was now dealing with such an aftermath.
City Manager Trudgeon noted that the Roseville Police Chief was ultimately
accountable to him in his role as City Manager, and if warranted could be fired
accordingly. If the City Council was not happy with how he as City Manager was
handling the Police Department or had any other issues, Mr. Trudgeon noted they
could in turn fire him. Even though a contract with Ramsey County may include
an escape clause to terminate their services, Mr. Trudgeon opined it didn't
provide such accountability. City Manager Trudgeon opined it was what was best
for the city versus what it would cost to get out of the contract.
In the end,
City Manager Trudgeon opined that with the city having control over how it
policed the community and how costs were attributed to the Police Department
should remain a prime consideration for Roseville versus the lack of that
fiscal control, transparency and accountability; and strongly suggested that
the City Council not go out for bid for city policing services.
McGehee requested to address some of Manager Trudgeon comments, but Mayor Roe
denied her request and called for public comment.
handouts were provided as they related to this item, including an email dated
October 9, 2016 from Nancy and John O'Brien in opposition; an email dated
October 7, 2016 from Vivian Ramalingam support; and an email with attachments
dated October 6, 2016 from James Faulconbridge as President of the Roseville
Police Foundation, in opposition to this proposal.
O'Brien, 2103 Cohansey Blvd
thanked Councilmember McGehee for her concern about city tax dollars, and as a
senior on a fixed income, stated that she shared those concerns.
O'Brien stated that she absolutely did not support this proposal; opining it
wasn't about the money, but more about the quality of life, citizen safety and
welfare in Roseville. Ms. O'Brien noted that the Roseville Police Department
had taken decades building itself into the fine public institution citizens now
had. Ms. O'Brien noted there were certain services local government could buy
through the lowest bid available, but opined schools, police and fire services
did not fit in that category.
policing services may cost more, Ms. O'Brien stated it wasn't about money. Ms.
O'Brien stated she was very impressed with the Roseville Police Department's
professionalism and their community engagement; and stated she was not
convinced the same quality of services would be realized with Ramsey County.
White, 21___ Churchhill Street
stated her agreement with the previous speaker; opining to her it wasn't about
money when it came to police services. Ms. White stated she had spent the last
eight years attempting to understand the annual municipal budget process, but
stated this was the very last thing she would imagine being proposed,
especially in this hostile day and time.
Ms. White noted
the significant work put into the proposal by Councilmember McGehee, and opined
if the proposal had been a joint proposal presented and recommended by City
Manager Trudgeon, Police Chief Mathwig and Councilmember McGehee, she may be able
to find room for discussion. However, under the circumstances, Ms. White
strongly urged the City Council to allow Roseville residents to continue
receiving the fine services currently available from its local police force
that remained directly accountable to the City Council, Roseville residents and
the City Manager.
as a senior on a fixed income, Ms. White stated her advocacy with current
police model, and offered her willingness to pay more for those services if
CEO of North American Banking
noted that Roseville city property taxes remained some of the lowest in the
Twin Cities metropolitan area, owning in part to the community's commercial
area. Mr. Bilsky asked that Councilmember McGehee not forget about all of
those businesses, noting his business property taxes alone exceeded $48,000
annually. However, Mr. Bilsky stated that he had chosen Roseville as the
community in which to start his bank due to those city services, including its
local police department.
cited the example when one of his banks was robbed, and the Roseville Police
Department quickly apprehended the robbers within 500' of the bank, and
recovered the stolen funds.
stated the community could not be represented by anyone other than its own
police department; and opined that he found the analysis done by Councilmember
McGehee appalling to say the least.
1131 Roselawn Avenue
Mr. Houck noted
that when Roseville began as a farm community, Ramsey County had served as its
police force, but it didn't need a lot of services. However, as the community
had grown through the years, residential and businesses, Mr. Houck opined that
those needs were now much different than in the past; as well as being much
different than other cities serviced by the Ramsey County Sheriff as their
police presence. Mr. Houck opined there was no other community in the northern
suburbs as busy as Roseville was.
through Councilmember McGehee's proposal, Mr. Houck opined that numbers are
easy to put down and look good. However, in business, Mr. Houck noted he'd
seen many proposals look good but when the final analysis was done the project
or service was way over projections. Mr. Houck stated he had also ready the
City Manager's report on this proposal, and opined he had found it to be an
excellent job in providing reasons for retaining the community's local police
stated he had known many police chiefs and officers through the years, and
opined that Roseville now has one of the finest chief's it had ever had, as
well as a good police force.
the numbers provided in Councilmember McGehee's presentation, Mr. Houck opined
that when things looked too good to be true, they usually were; and further
opined they may look more beneficial than they would be in actuality. Mr.
Houck urged the City Council to keep local police services, opining they were
one of the best forces in the broader suburban community. Mr. Houck stated he
found the proposal outrageous and hoped the City Council would give it no
Falconbridge, President of the Roseville Police Foundation
Faulconbridge referenced a recent City News newsletter to read about the
high performance citizens held for their local government services and
staggering approval ratings. In that same community survey, Mr. Faulconbridge
noted Roseville residents listed their biggest concern was high crime rates.
Mr. Faulconbridge stated that Roseville wasn't Mayberry, and urged the City
Council not to consider this proposal.
Faulconbridge provided a comparison of inner ring suburb police departments
using 2015 statistics and crime data taken from the Bureau of Criminal
Apprehension's Uniform Crime Report. Mr. Faulconbridge also provided a
document entitled "Department Summary from Ramsey County Sheriff's Office that
included a statement that as a result of increased service demands, there had
been a tendency to largely rely on overtime and hiring or retired deputies as
temporary staff to compensate for staffing shortages.
Faulconbridge opined that the cities listed in Councilmember McGehee's proposal
were representative of Roseville's peer cities, and welcomed further research
by Roseville residents. Mr. Faulconbridge noted that the City of Roseville
ranks third lowest in crime rates among the inner ring suburbs in his research
as provided in the bench handout, while ranking 8 out of 9 for lowest cost per
capita. Mr. Faulconbridge noted this proposal caused him significant concern
beyond simply addressing square footage availability at City Hall.
Faulconbridge stated that he knew the Ramsey County Sheriff's Department well,
considering many of them his friends and most wonderful people; however, he stated
that he still preferred a municipal police force. Given the difficulties faced
by Falcon Heights with recent events, Mr. Faulconbridge noted the City of
Edina's applause of the Roseville Police Department while discussion tonight of
this City Council was discussing getting rid of it, which he found
involvement in three businesses, all located in Roseville, Mr. Faulconbridge
noted those companies represented a significant number of head of household
wage jobs, and part of the allure of Roseville was its services, including its
local police force.
Faulconbridge noted he had stepped into the role of president of this
Foundation to obtain additional equipment for the Roseville Police Department
beyond what was possible with its annual budget. Mr. Faulconbridge stated that
he found this discussion and even consideration of such a proposal
unbelievable; and provided several examples of local police service and
Faulconbridge urged the City Council to quit talking about this proposal; and
personally argued that this fine police department was underfunded. Mr.
Faulconbridge opined it was time to get on with the real business of this
Callaghan, 3062 Shorewood Lane
On other side,
Mr. Callaghan opined that residents had no idea what this will be if we
actually look at it seriously, even though he is being told there's a large
dollar potential and no idea of the effect there could be.
noted that City Manager Trudgeon had only provided a verbal response, with
nothing in writing; and opined it would be foolish to not see what the real
answer was. If it proved a bad idea, Mr. Callaghan stated his acceptance of
that; but opined it warranted looking into especially with taxes continuing to
go up much faster than inflation and creating a need to get a handle on those
taxes or do something else to address them.
admitted he wouldn't have chosen the police department first, but since it was
currently on the table, he suggested considering looking at it. Mr. Callaghan
opined Roseville had a great department, but also opined it had problems,
especially when the Police Chief repeatedly told him that he won't take actions
for a local entity breaking state law, it caused him to have a problem.
O'Brien, 2103 Cohansey Blvd.
and on a fixed income, Mr. O'Brien noted he'd been involved with his local
neighborhood watch program and had coordinated it over the last few years, and
it had been in existence for 25 years as part of Roseville's extended outreach
by the Roseville Police Department.
O'Brien opined that the department's communication efforts are excellent, and
their professionalism was evident as he had gotten to know the officers better
when attending Roseville U and the Police Citizen's Academy. Mr. O'Brien
referenced several of the outreach efforts of the department (e.g. Coffee with
a Cop; Monthly Activity Summary; outreach to immigrant communities; Soccer
Camp; and Shop with a Cop as some examples).
stated that he was highly skeptical that Ramsey County can provide the same
high level of crime prevention and law enforcement to Roseville and address
Even though he
is on a fixed income, Mr. O'Brien opined some things are more important than
cost, and this is one of them. Mr. O'Brien further opined that citizens were
getting great value for their tax dollar, and agreed with the previous speaker
that the department could use more staffing to even better meet those community
needs. In conclusion, Mr. O'Brien opined that any financial savings in
switching police providers were far outweighed by the high accessibility of the
local and able Roseville Police Department.
1926 Gluek Lane
In his personal
review of Councilmember McGehee's documentation, Mr. Koland opined it had been
very well done.
provided his comparisons using 2014 information and Roseville Patrol Officer
full-time equivalency (FTE) used in the proposal and those currently available
in Roseville, with his calculations showing that it would actually cost $10,000
more per patrol officer than the current staffing model compared to that
proposed by Ramsey County. Referencing Councilmember McGehee's Executive
Summary, Mr. Koland agreed that there may be no loss of benefits or pensions
for Roseville officers, but stated he was not convinced the numbers accurately
reflected the potential loss of employment potential for some existing
numerical comparisons, Mr. Koland questioned the accuracy of Councilmember
McGehee's projections and comparisons between Roseville and Ramsey County
staffing models; and suggested instead a thorough review and adjustment to
appropriate staffing levels for the Roseville Police Department versus
considering contracting those services out to Ramsey County.
Motion to Extend Meeting Curfew
At 10:00 p.m., Willmus moved,
Etten seconded, extending the meeting curfew to the conclusion of this item.
Ayes: Willmus, Etten, McGehee, Laliberte and Roe.
County Road B-2
As a retired
Professor of Management, Ms. Henquinet expressed discussed consideration when
outsourcing what served as one of the core functions of a municipality. Ms.
Henquinet noted this was a major decision and recognized that the City Council
was well aware of that.
experience with decision-making for over twenty years, Ms. Henquinet the talk
about costs did not address cost benefits when comparing services with the
model from either group.
mentioned, but an important part of that decision, Ms. Henquinet stated was the
current situation with so much pressure on law enforcement. Ms. Henquinet
stated she didn't want Roseville police personnel focusing on whether or not
they may lose their job and/or benefits, but stated she wanted them solely
focused on their security and their policing of Roseville. Form a citizen
point of view, Ms. Henquinet noted everyone was uneasy, and wanted assurances
for their safety and security, with change throwing everyone off, even if it
could be a needed change. Ms. Henquinet suggested timing was a critical issue
not effectively addressed. If there remained an argument to consider making
such a change, Ms. Henquinet opined that may be down the road sometime, but
stated now was not the time to even seek such a quote.
As a Roseville
resident for over 54 years, Mr. Thibodaux noted he's watched it grow from a
simple city to a complex one, and had watched the Roseville Police Department
grow with the city. Mr. Thibodaux opined that the department had done a lot of
hard work with good people, ending up with the current premier police
department. Now with the wave of a hand, Mr. Thibodaux opined that was
proposed to be all thrown in the trash can and started over in the guise of
At the age of
85 years and as a long-term consumer, Mr. Thibodaux stated he had heard every
cost-savings gimmick out there, but had found the majority unrealistic. Mr.
Thibodaux stated he had yet to find a free lunch; and opined you got what you
paid for, and if you buy cheap, you got cheap. Mr. Thibodaux opined that this
proposal represented a cheap imitation of the current Roseville Police
Department, and further opined that citizens of Roseville deserved better than
831 Grand Avenue
twenty-five year resident of Roseville, Ms. Dean stated she didn't want to lose
her police department. Being employed in the public safety field and
understanding the reasoning behind this proposal, Ms. Dean noted that Roseville
was unique. Ms. Dean noted no one had addressed domestic terrorism potentials
in Roseville with the local tank farms on the western edge of the city, other
chemical manufacturers in the community, the Williams pipeline running through
Roseville, and Rosedale Mall as home to over 12,000,000 visitors annually. Ms.
Dean opined that the Roseville Police Department not only provided patrols for
the mall but also provided its residents good services.
referenced prostitution and human trafficking at local hotels, opining that the
Police Department had done an excellent job in addressing that. As far as it
being unique, Ms. Dean also noted that Roseville was only one of two inner ring
suburbs directly abutting the Cities of St. Paul and Minneapolis.
In her review
of Councilmember McGehee's proposal, Ms. Dean opined it was attempting to
compare apples to oranges when comparing it to other police departments. Ms.
Dean noted those peer communities weren't looking to lose their local police
departments, and opined that Roseville shouldn't have to think about losing
Bakeman, 1178 W County Road B
While most had
already been voiced, Ms. Bakeman noted one thing was missing from Councilmember
McGehee's report, even though she'd looked for it. When talking about community
policing, Ms. Bakeman stated that this was a service Roseville now had. Ms.
Bakeman cited several examples, including a police chief interested in working
with the community that would not be available with Ramsey County.
As far as
accountability, Ms. Bakeman stated she believed in it and agreed with the
comments of City Manager Trudgeon. Ms. Bakeman referenced a personal request
by a Ramsey County Sheriff's Deputies seeking election to the Office of Sheriff
asking to place an election sign in her front yard, opining that just wasn't
right and she preferred a police chief who was accountable to the City Manager
and City Council versus someone elected to the position.
considering herself cheap and believing in accountability, Ms. Bakeman opined
that the Roseville Police Department was well worth the money spent for it.
Council Position Statements
Willmus noted several years ago when running for election, at a League of Women
Voter's Forum, when specifically asked about going out to bid for police
services, his response had been "no," and continued to be so now.
Manager Trudgeon had already touched on several of his reasons for that
response, Councilmember Willmus opined that ultimately it would become
difficult for the City of Roseville to contain costs. With the seven cities
currently contracting for Ramsey County Sheriff services, Councilmember Willmus
noted they were each seeing a 6% increase in this budget cycle.
the comparison figures used in Councilmember McGehee's proposal versus current
Roseville Police Department staffing levels, Councilmember Willmus opined that
there were significant discrepancies, as also noted in Mr. Koland's public
comments when reconciling those numbers with the Ramsey County proposal,
especially from a FTE basis, opining that those discrepancies were staggering.
When factoring in space and other intrinsic items, including information
technology services, Councilmember Willmus opined that the city still came in
with over $10,000 in FTE savings annually. When reconciling numbers for
existing levels of service and applying an apples to apples comparison,
Councilmember Willmus opined that the City of Roseville of Roseville was
getting a pretty good deal.
contracting out services, Councilmember Willmus noted there would be no loss of
policing services; and furthermore noted the number of civilian employees
beyond sworn officers in the department that factored into that level of
service, but not taken into consideration, but all real jobs and real issues.
Willmus noted that many residents were troubled by this, and while perhaps not
being as troubled by the proposal, he found that his concerns are caused
because it didn't make fiscal sense nor provide any fiscal savings as presented
and therefore, he didn't find the proposal supportable.
Willmus stated that the City Council was elected as a body to make judgments,
one of most important being with the annual budget and tax levy, which he took
seriously. Councilmember Willmus stated if the concern is with rising costs,
he'd reach out to Councilmember McGehee suggesting she work with her City
Council colleagues to find realistic ways to reduce those costs. Councilmember
Willmus noted that, over the last several budget cycles with those concerns in
mind, they had been reflected in his vote to not support the budget. However,
Councilmember Willmus opined that he didn't think the answer was farming out
this core municipal service to Ramsey County.
Etten expressed appreciation for public comments, and stated his agreement with
those saying Roseville needed to keep its own police force. With Councilmember
McGehee's proposal not providing an accurate apples to apples comparison from
his perspective, Councilmember Etten provided several examples, including the
work of investigators who also serve for extra saturation patrol in struggling
neighborhoods in Roseville, as well as other pertinent issues including extra
patrols and monitoring of local motels and their related issues.
If the City of
Roseville lost its local officers from City Hall, with Ramsey County Sheriff
personnel housed in Arden Hills on Highway 96, Councilmember Etten noted the
lost response time, as well as losing services through transporting arrestees.
Etten further addressed another example of service if contracted out, would be
reducing the number of officers available during the week and weekends. During
his door knocking this year for re-election to the City Council, Councilmember
Etten noted there was no one saying they wanted less of a police presence, with
many asking for more patrolling, especially related to speed and safety
Etten stated his appreciation for those taking time to go into more detail in
comparing numbers in the proposal, especially those comparing inner ring
suburbs provided by President Faulconbridge. As a result of that additional
information, and from his personal review and perspective, Councilmember Etten
opined that the City of Roseville and its citizens were getting tremendous
quality, even when using comparison studies of neighboring cities provided in
the League of Women Voters study, with city costs coming in at the middle of
those other communities.
Etten agreed with concerns expressed by the public with the proximity of
Roseville to the larger cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, in addition to
Roseville's large commercial districts.
Etten stated that of most importance to him was accountability to the
community, which had been highlighted by the recent Falcon Heights shooting.
Councilmember Etten noted the number of people who called or met with Chief
Mathwig directly, noting that couldn't have happened if police services had
been contracted out. Councilmember Etten further noted that Chief Mathwig and
his officers had met directly with citizens at various meetings and
opportunities used to connect with the community who asked their local office
to come up with new and creative ways to interact in the community in
purposeful and positive ways. With 525,000 residents in Ramsey County and only
34,000 residents in Roseville, Councilmember Etten opined the city could
control that interaction when done by a local police force.
Councilmember Etten stated he never wanted to lose the right to hear and
discuss things like this together; but stated he would not and could not
support such a proposal.
Laliberte thanked the public for their comments and concurred with several of
them, as well as the majority of her colleagues. Councilmember Laliberte
commended Councilmember McGehee's work in presenting a bold proposal to the
City Council and Roseville community. Any time the City Council could take a
hard or different look at the budget, Councilmember Laliberte opined was a good
exercise. However, Councilmember Laliberte questioned if this would have been
her choice for a place to look.
Laliberte stated she saw public safety as a responsibility and core function
for local government, and not one she'd feel comfortable contracting out.
While agreeing with the need for accountability and transparency, Councilmember
Laliberte noted that could be easily addressed with policies that could be
Laliberte noted there was information that could be put forth, including
addressing frequent comments she heard and their desire for more police
presence on their streets and in their neighborhoods. While being appreciative
of looking at anything closer in the budget, Councilmember Laliberte stated she
was not in favor of contracting out public safety and police services.
echoed the comments of Councilmember Laliberte, while expressing his personal
respectful appreciation for Councilmember McGehee taking the time and effort in
researching and preparing her proposal in an attempt to save the city money.
stated he had looked seriously at the proposal and had performed his own
analysis through that process. Mayor Roe reviewed some of that analysis as
operating budget numbers, Mayor Roe noted City Hall capital expenditures would
remain regardless of whether or not the police department was housed there.
Mayor Roe noted the city had and continued to pay for its debt service per
statutory requirements, whether or not it involved the local police
department. Mayor Roe noted that City Hall would still need to be maintained,
with some of those areas eating into savings, but not related specifically to the
As brought up
by several of his colleagues on the City Council and during public comment,
Mayor Roe addressed current police staffing in Roseville, noting it was
frequently pointed out that it was inadequate for the city's needs, and
admitted the city was operating lean with staffing resources. If the proposal
accurately compared staffing levels in the two models, Mayor Roe opined that
any projected savings would go away; and just from that basis, he couldn't
support seriously looking into such a proposal.
corrected the perception that Roseville paid twice for Ramsey County patrol
services in Roseville and in Ramsey County, clarifying that the only services
that are paid by the entire county are in the areas of jail housing and
document service, all paid through county tax dollars, and not paid by
accountability, as previously stated, Mayor Roe questioned how an elected
county sheriff would be more accountable to Roseville citizens than its own
employees under the benefit of local management, with more transparency at that
local level. If the experience of the last few years is used as evidence,
Mayor Roe noted Ramsey County's response to Roseville issues and concerns had
not proven to be positive. Not to say Ramsey County is bad, but Mayor Roe
noted the reality was that they had many masters, and Roseville often had to
play the squeaky wheel to get their attention.
Mayor Roe supported the comments of his colleagues in not supporting this
McGehee stated she had not brought this proposal forward because she thought it
would be popular, but simply as an area for discussion.
In response to
Mayor Roe's comments, Councilmember McGehee clarified that she had removed debt
service for City Hall from her calculations.
Specific to the
figures provided by City Manager Trudgeon, Councilmember McGehee stated she had
not verified that documentation at this time.
McGehee reviewed Ramsey County's vetting of its officers and training process
and found it excellent.
McGehee stated she didn't want to argue cost or actual savings, thus her
proposal to seek a bid from Ramsey County for police services in order to
provide an accurate comparison of apples to apples. Councilmember McGehee
stated she was not convinced one way or the other, but had brought it forward
to answer some outstanding questions and to confirm the level of savings.
it would have been nice to have a collaborative effort, Councilmember McGehee
stated she thought it was worth discussing and considering; but if there was an
overriding opinion not to do so, she was fine with that decision.
In her ongoing
efforts to reduce the annual budget and levy, Councilmember McGehee noted she
had brought forward a $30,000 budget savings proposal last year, but had been
unable to get a second to direct staff to look into it, even though two of her
colleagues had voted against the budget and final tax levy. Councilmember
McGehee stated this had indicated to her that there was no particular desire on
the part of this City Council to actually save money, so this had seemed to her
a way to accomplish that savings. Even though she had sought interest from her
colleagues to look at such a proposal, Councilmember McGehee noted that none
had expressed interest in receiving the blow back to consider such an option,
but noted that didn't provide sufficient reason for her to turn her back on the
potential to save money for Roseville taxpayers. Councilmember McGehee stated
that to not do this research and proposal was turning her back on her own
personal sense of responsibility regarding expenditure of taxpayer monies.
weren't interested, Councilmember McGehee reiterated that she was fine with it
and it took a big burden off her shoulders; and if people were happy to have
their municipal taxes increased, it was fine with her and she wasn't going to
worry about it anymore. Councilmember McGehee stated that instead, she'd
concentrate on utility fees that she found grossly unfair; and advised that she
would speak to that later as it would be coming forward for discussion in
McGehee expressed her appreciation of those speaking; and stated her
gratification in hearing how much they liked the Roseville Police Department, a
sentiment she shared with them. Councilmember McGehee stated that she knew the
Roseville Police Department and those with the Ramsey County Sheriff's
Department, opining they were all good people. Councilmember McGehee
reiterated that this had not been a comparison between two good police forces,
but simply a potential opportunity to see if Roseville residents could see
substantial savings to help support the amenities they wanted in their
McGehee opined it was nice to be on a fixed income and still support those
services and amenities, depending on what that income really was.
Councilmember McGehee stated that she had residents on a fixed income calling
her frequently, and not only one or two residents, who were concerned about
their monthly income compared with ongoing levy and budget increases that were
really hurting them. Councilmember McGehee stated that those were the people
she was speaking about.
Councilmember McGehee stated she had made the proposal in her presentation; she
was satisfied to now move on until and unless there was significant support
from residents. Clearly there was very little support at this time.
Laliberte seconded, formal confirmation that the Roseville City Council did not
support the proposal of Councilmember McGehee's to consider requesting a bid
from the Ramsey County Sheriff for policing services for the City of Roseville.
Ayes: Willmus, Etten,
Laliberte and Roe.
City Manager Future Agenda Review
Councilmember-Initiated Items for Future Meetings
Etten seconded, adjournment of the meeting at approximately 10:28 p.m.
Ayes: Willmus, Etten, McGehee, Laliberte